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  • ANDROCLES
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    #1

    XS177 – Brute

    XS177 – Brute
    Nuances: very stinky
    Self-Effects: Good. Felt confident. My jaw muscles feel an almost clenching sensation but not full contraction after about an hour. It lasts for 3 or 4 hours. I like it. No headaches, shock sensation, or dizziness.

    I opened the 10ml bottle and used a womens eye shadow brush to paint this on my forearms. I’d say the estimation equivalent amount to just less than 1 spray.

    It’s really pungent.

    I then painted YSL La’Nuit L’Homme around it like an oblong circular fashion, but not running over the app points.

    No other mones added. Truly wanted to test this.

    After 30 minutes, the smell is not noticeable and La’Nuit takes control..mostly.

    This is write-up 1 of 2. Lunch observations are interesting.

    General pros:
    1. I feel great, I feel alpha. I don’t mind the partial jaw muscle activation.
    2. The women I noticed affected this day, like to be really close. Close proximity.
    3. It gets Asian attention. I really think this works great.
    4. Women affected better than men. For men, it appears status worthy.
    5. Women are spell bound affected.
    6. It does something with kids. If you guys try this out, let me know what you observe.
    7. My girl is Asian and she responds very well. Very touchy, very sexual.
    8. It hooks women in and makes them come close. They are like in the verge of talking or saying something.
    9. What is up with women grinning???!!…..fascinating for me. Great word.
    10. This brute makes women fascinated! ***the cure song—fascination street plays***
    11. Not sure if gay guys like this from a strange observation. (observation noted at lunch). I’m not trying to attract a gay dude, so I don’t care.
    12. I will re-order this so long as XS has this.
    13. This may inspire me to try SOB.
    14. I recommend you guys get a sample!

    Morning Coffee Observations:

    Starbucks - Before even entering, I got a stunned look, then smiles from a 7 brunette, caucasian, exiting her car just as I approached the door. Perfect timing, in addition, a nice 7 blonde, caucasian was leaving the store, so I can now make the viable excuse to:
    1. Look like a gentleman and hold the door open
    2. Let them both sniff my stank. Get an IOI, which happened. (the moment I liked this juice)
    3. Make last minute personal reconnaissance of a full body check-down like the pervert I am.

    I open the door, hold it open like I got all the time in the world…. Big smiles I have.

    Blonde in high pitched, bubbly, cheerleader voice: “Oh, THANK YOU!!!!” big smiles.
    Brunette small smiles, and responds with an “I’m cooler, lower voice, seductive” with a simple: “Thanks!”- walks with swagger, but is wearing a business long skirt, slit and 4 inch heels. Oh yeah.. Nice calves, the girl has. Probably early 20s. The blonde was wearing short summer dress exposing her legs with these wedge wooden heel sandals. I don’t care, she looks hot to me. She’s gone. In her car and away.

    The Brunette is in line in front of me looking ahead. Asian chic 6 comes right in. Not behind me. Blatantly comes to my left side. Very close. I’m like near the pastries display windowed cabinet. She acts like she’s looking for a treat, but being so close, I really think this is the mone. WOW! I like this. She comes closer. If she was a dude, I would be uncomfortable. That is how close she was. I don’t mind.

    Hooked. I almost said something to her. I think if the barista didn’t rudely interrupt me for my drink order, she might have said something to me.

    The barista 2, black chic, early 20s, takes my order, but was soo happy, so pleasing in nature. She even wanted to spell my name correctly. We spent extra time just so she can get the letters right. Eyes wide open. Smiling. Stunning this juice is.

    The brunette struts over to the waiting area with her nice manicured nails and just plays with her phone. When she does look up, she is looking at me. Me. Damn! Not smiling, just a seductive look. Like a curiosity..maybe, like a serious curiosity. Like if she were to say something, the first line would be..”who are you?”, “I want to know about you”. Sorry. Letting my imagination run wild. I still have this stuff on.

    I walk straight over to her to wait on drinks, feeling confident. Most people adjust and move to make room. No, she stands there and wants confrontation. Not a bad way. Like she wants to be sexy and knows it, but wants to feel comfortable to have me that close too.

    The Asian girl follows suit. Now, I’m standing in between both. They are not moving!!! No uncomfortable adjustments. They just wait for their drinks next to me like I belong to them.

    The best thing happened. The brunette comes super close without saying excuse me at all. She brushes beside me reaching for her cup just delivered hot and fresh on the countertop. Her arm and purse bumps me. SEXY. I smell her hair, perfume? Smells nice. As she spins around she has a grin. A Fucking grin! Not a word, just walks away to the exit. No excuse me. If I wasn’t committed I would have said something to start a dating plan. Or at least tried to.

    Wow, I really like Brute or Brute likes me.

    I was so shocked by all of this, I couldn’t say anything witty. I was stunned silent and horny. No Love Boat or Connections on. LOL

    My drink is still not ready. The Asian girl’s drink is ready.

    The Asian puts her hand on my elbow and says “excuse me” so soft,mousy, so sweet. I say “Oh, I’m sorry.” I move slightly, She grabs her drink and says “No, no, your fine.”No FOB accent. She is Americanized.

    With a grin displaying some teeth. Again, similarly as the brunette before her, even she brushes past me. She’s not wearing perfume but could be residual hair conditioner smell. It's nice. I'm a horn dawg. She’s wearing a T-shirt, short shorts and flip flops. Nice feat. Painted toenails. Bright baby blue. Big tits for her size. She is short.

    Weirdness…

    She walks towards the exit, stops 5 feet. It’s not like anyone is in her way. She is 2 feet from the nearest customer in line. She stops, turns sideways and looks at me, then quickly turns. As she turns back around, I wave my hand like a little kid trying to say bye bye. She didn’t see it, she just exits.
    I look like a dofus, the one dude looks at me. Not a pissed look. Not smiling. Just looks at me.

    I’m so elated by this juice, I’m not paying too much attention to the outside world. There are several people in here. Not all look at me, but those 4 girls were affected. I know it!

    I get my coffee…no other notes from starbucks. I know there was more than this that happened, it’s just too much to cover and just cared about the “two chics” encounter. I’m in a great mood and love this Brute.

    I will post notes about lunch soon. The lunch observations reinforces my thoughts on the morning experience.

    The reason I post Morning and Lunch is because I'm working from home. No other opportunities to interact with women.

    4th of July weekend is coming up and so is BRUTE!
  • ANDROCLES
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    #2
    XS177 – Brute
    Nuances: Stink really gone by lunch. It has that evolve/taboo smell around lunch time if I sniff closely.
    Self-Effects: Good. Felt confident. My jaw muscles still feel an almost clenching sensation still going on at lunchtime. It was less around dinner time. Saw my girl later in the early eveing.

    Re-applied/ painted YSL La’Nuit L’Homme around again, but not running over the app points around 12pm, just before heading out to lunch. I felt the scent subsided a bit, I mean the silage. So more should be applied.
    No other mones added. No more Brute added.

    This is write-up 2 of 2.

    General pros reinforced:

    1. Still feel great, a little calmer. Could just be hungry. Jaw activation still present.

    2. It gets Asian attention. I am sure of it. In fact, Brute gets them to look at you when normally they could have their head buried in college lecture notes, an iPhone, a laptop, or some restaurant menu…seriously. I’ve seen it a lot of times today to compel me to type this out. I say a lot, but I’m guessing a half-dozen Asian-ish women around. So, like: Korean, Phillipines, Thai, Chinese, Vietnamese..or mixes of. I bring this up because it is my interest to evaluate this.

    3. I don’t want you to think I’m saying Brute is primarily for Asian. I’m just looking at them particularly because of that Asian girl’s response from Starbucks encounter. This gets attention from anyone I’m paying attention to in observation. I can really say women more than men.

    4. Women grin if they interact with you somehow. Close proximity and simple one-liners, like “Excuse, me”, “Thank you”, “The ice machine is really slow”, “Sorry, just need some napkins”.

    5. With my extreme “betafication” from Exotica and using something heavy like Brute in small amounts, I’m starting to theorize I really could be producing a low none sig naturally.

    6. I really need to see how Brute behaves in full conversations and interactions. – This I have yet to do. I will do more reporting on this as I go through the bottle. Below notes, are mostly just visual observations from one lunch.

    Notable observations during lunch:

    I go to Panera Bread because it’s quick, cheap, not too far, and I can get soup that I like. It’s better than fast food and usually there is a mix of people. I see women there a lot, even married milfs count.

    Unlike the morning, I open the door for this black teenager kid with earbuds in his ear. Vans rucksack? Whatever is in there looks like bricks from the protrusions. He says thanks. Nothing more and goes to meet people (more athletic friends) at a table without getting in line.

    The line is about 6 deep to the human cashiers. A young girl is the primary cashier. She is wearing a Hijab. Cute face. I can’t fathom where she is from by ethnicity. Take a guess. She nice smiling to folks. I’m not interested in any reaction. She is too busy, but she did look up at the line. Our eyes meet. No hook from my cloud, from the distance of 9-10 feet semi-diagonal-like, I guess. The other cashier is an older woman (40s) (easy 1 of 10) who is real cheesy in her customer service screech.

    There are two decent pony tail broads in athletic gear in the front of the line. I’ll have to regroup and have a more detailed inspection and tactical visual after I complete my order. Nice toned figures. Can only see side face. Average? I think they are 30 somethings. Talking about orders with cashier teen. They haven’t noticed me. Notes stoppage….

    Next entry….

    I decide to go to the side Kiosk because there is only one person using one of 3 active. Blonde fatty, nice makeup, and a cute face, blue eyes. I’d give her a 6 because I feel good. She’s probably 30ish. Let’s call her Kiosk Blonde 6.

    Immediately, just as soon as I start tapping the touch display, she says something like “Does it print out a receipt, I think I missed that screen to choose?” Like if as though she knows me and I was paying attention to her life. I know what she is talking about, not sure if I’ve ever seen it. I just reply “Oh, I’m not sure it does that here. It just sends me an email receipt, but I always get a full receipt at the pickup spot”. Side note add: ***Androcles starts thinking Biatch, you just messed up my pick 2 thought process****

    She comes closer, we were already close. Mone effect? She taps my forearm softly. “Don’t you just love it?”* …then, suddenly……wait for it…….the famous “XS177 Brute Grin”. Blue eyes are nice with dilated pupils. She has the winged tip eyeliner design expressed just over her eyelids. I like that style. Sexy. Her earrings are stupid seashells though and don’t match her outfit. She’s got a gut. Sexy 5 though, if there can be one. Still, I have no fucking earthly idea what I should love*. I guess she means technology?

    I just say “Yeah” and smile. She turns, grabs a large cup from the stacks behind the kiosk.
    She scurries off to the coffee station to do her fixins. Half-n-half, Splenda..whatever.. I don’t know. She is wearing tight-fitted slim leg jeans with a giant cellphone protruding out the back pocket and polo shirt.

    She has okay natural tits. She joins forces with some Indian dude, 40s, grey hair, dress shirt, slacks with flip flops? Dude has long-hair, hairy toes. I can’t erase that visual. He is already mixing sugar packets and creamery for his coffee. He doesn’t look at me.

    I complete my order and prepare for the “XS177 Brute Cloud Effect Evaluation”.
    First, I survey the line. The two cute women already left over to the pickup section. I give those two, 7 of 10 because nicely toned bodies, athletic skin-tight, spandex capris. Implants, the whole works. The faces are average. No makeup. Pony tails both. Probably married professionals in the upper class bracket. Yep, I see the big rocks. Probably over full carats. Must be super people. Both blondes. Black spandex. Grey Spandex.

    I see in line, an older couple 50s, and the husband and wife tandem in serious decision making discussion - Caucasian. A family of four – Spanish: All older ladies 50s to 60s. Nobody worth seeing interaction here. One of them looks at me, but continues talking to her friend. No retake look.

    I see an Asian young girl working for Panera strolling around the tables with orders. Hmmm… She hasn’t noticed me.

    Another Asian woman (30s) and her hubby (white, 30s?) just come in to my rear. She is a jack hot looking Korean-ish. They are dressed in business casual attire. No heels, but she is wearing nice bright Cobalt blue flats. Lots of makeup and she looks sexy. 7 out of 10. Nice body, decent tits. The husband looks like a nice successful guy. He looks at me and raises his eyebrows, like a ‘howdy’ or ‘what’s up’ expression. They start talking and I notice she is Americanized. No accent. Since the guy is nice, I don’t focus on her. I don’t want to piss him off, but she did look my way twice with a plain look? No smile.

    I move over towards the pickup station. Kiosk blonde 6 looks straight at me. She is zoned or daydreaming? I was taken off guard for a second. This is “Deer in the headlights look”. The two high-society women look at me… one after the other. Not “Deer in the headlights”, but they just want to know who is approaching double-time. I close the distance and try to pile myself in to mingle.

    My dumbass wants to see if I can get the same effect as in the morning between the “two-chics” encounter at Starbucks earlier. You know. The one where I can stand there close and they don’t move.

    This time, this didn’t happen as blatant. One High Society chic (grey spandex) backs off a step. The other (black spandex) stays put, and awaits her take out order mumbling something to the other.

    Kiosk blonde 6 inches closer, then does a running back juke move as her order is brought to the counter-top. She, grabs her to-go order and turns to look at me AGAIN. This grin on her face returns like she is up to something or is pleased she is about to devour lunch.

    Kiosk blonde 6 moves close to me and hits my leg with her To-Go bag, ever–so-slightly. Meaning, she could have had room at least another foot to avoid this. “Have a nice day!” she says to me, because I was actually waiting for an “excuse me” that never came out. I deliberately didn’t make adjustments, and she didn’t seem to care. Nice. I still can’t get over those fucking seashell earrings. My OCD.


    Note 23 - The Spandex platoon (pony-tail High Society chics) move to sit on the bench and chit chat some more. They are talking about a kid, I think.

    The food assembler guy behind the counter (Caucasian, 30s, let’s call him Joe) puts a fast hold my mone experiments, “Sir, you don’t have to wait here.” “You can go sit down, we’ll have someone bring the order to you. Just hang on to your buzzer”.
    I reply “Aw thanks, I didn’t know. Is this new?” He says “Yeah, we started this last week”. Makes sense. I dig in the butter containers to get a couple of them to go with my baguette.

    I turn to see what the Spandex platoon is doing. Not there. Nope, they moved. I don’t see them. They went somewhere.
    I go to fountain drinks to get my drink going. Ice, unsweetened tea, lemonade, Acai Berry.. mix and match.

    Very cute young Asian girl Panera worker comes by to clean and re-stock napkins. Her name tag reads Cindy Lee (and a nice bodeeeee). I make an approach to grab napkins. She puts her hand on my right bicep and says, “Here you go”. She has a big smile. Looks straight into my eyes and grins. She quickly hands me some fresh napkins from the restock bundle. I’m too old for her, but man. That feels like a mone response. I walk with my drink to find a seat. I look back at her, but she is heading to the kitchen.

    No notes.

    Next entries…

    I go sit down quickly, not quite surveying or planning for females to sit next to. Just random, but I just wanted my observation frame to be ever-expanding towards the windows. I look around. I spot two gay dudes sitting across from eat other one caressessing the other’s hand outstretched over the table top. Laptop sits between both. I was there not 2 minutes when they grab their gear and move. One mumbles to the other, then they both go sit farther away in a booth so that they are across the room. I can still see them. They both are now sitting together cuddling over the laptop. Very odd to just pick up and go from one booth to another. There are empty spots around. Even this lunch period isn’t super packed. They both look at me at separate times. Nothing remarkable.
    I scan the room. Odd couple here, odd couple there, family here, family there. No obvious hotties…wait…

    Indian family next to me. Mom, 30s, 3. Not my type. She looks at me seriously. Messing with the kid’s food (preparing, organizing). I look again. She looks again. The 4 boys she has are playing with crayons and paper. Each one keeps looking at me. All 4 boys. They could be no more than 5 or 7. I look away because this whole visual interaction is irrelevant for what I want to discover.

    There is a white couple (40s) (wife is an unremarkable 4) directly front of me but further away, just beside them gay dudes. Beside them an Asian girl (20s) solid 7, no tits and her Asian boyfriend (20s). The Asian boyfriend is all decked out with muscles and a tank top and tatoos and looks like a jealous guy. He looks like a douche-bag because his resting face resembles a UFC fighter with a chip on his shoulder. Sorry, judging a book by the cover, he looks like a low-self-esteem punk who still lives with well-off parents. He looks smug and arrogant. He just wants to be feared. Clown. This could just be me being mean. The kid could be a nice.

    Anyone looking at his girl, like me for example, he looks back at them with a grim look. Fuck him. I then just look at his girl’s nice feet as she plays floppy with her flip flop. She looks at me, smiles then whispers something to him. They giggle. Fuck them. I’m just an older guy experimenting with Brute pheromone blend. LOL. Fuck me.

    Minutes later….

    Joe comes over with my order and collects my buzzer…..and I then see the sexy Spandex Platoon, now they are looking for a seat. They are holding plates of food. Where did they get?..how?. when?...whatever.

    There are FOUR empty spots close to my position, but they quickly choose and sit adjacently in a booth from my two-seater table. Not more than 4 feet from me! Grey Spandex blonde from the platoon is sitting to my right. I look at her. She smiles. Black Spandex is tapping on her big phone. The light glistens her big ass ring, dramatically. They start talking.

    I start eating..slowly. I look to my left. The 4 Indian boys each look at me in succession, like an orchestrated mime group. The Indian mother is eating and has this resting bitch face look at another white couple directly in front of me. I look over to my right to the Spandex Platoon. The one in black spandex looks directly at me, eyes to eyes. She a dirty blonde with green eyes. No makeup, but she doesn’t need much. She doesn’t smile. This is a calm expression or zoned expression. As if her mind is occupied for a second.

    Note -Then she tilts her head and smiles. It was creepy looking at first. But then I realized she could be snapping back to reality and now sees a stranger (me) curiously looking at her with interest. She looks down at her food, then grabs the front of her sports shirt to pull on her sports bra to expose more cleavage. I think this is que for me to look at her implants as her intended adjustment can be construed as a flirt action. **look at my tits guy, it costed** -She must know I’m looking at her; she using her peripheral sense. All the meanwhile, the other friend is talking and showing her a receipt or piece of paper to something. The friend then brings out more papers. Are they real-estate agents?

    The blonde who just played 'boob stun' with me looks at me again with a smile. She then takes her tennis shoes off to get more comfortable and sits with one leg over the other and one leg and foot dangling off the floor. They go over some papers and eat salad. They are talking a lot.

    I’m feeling good about this. I finish my lunch. Get up, and look around to see who notices me prepare to make my way to the trash unit. The young Asian couple is looking at me. The girl is looking at me with a smirk. Her muscle boy bone-head looked then turned away to look out the window. I put my dish away and trash.

    As I leave, I see the young hijab cashier. She smiles nicely and has a happy face. She says “Thank you, have a good one!” An old dude coming in for lunch is in a suit holds a door open for me to exit before he enters. I just thanked him.

    There is a lot more going on. I only recorded what I felt was enough. I’ll do more Brute notes and post back here when possible.

    Conclusion:

    I still need to test Brute with more and longer conversations with folks other than my girl. She seems very talkative and bubbly with it, and then add touchy feely. But it’s hard to say. She does that with many other mones too. Right now, this is mostly observations from an introverted perspective, if you will.
    For self-effects, I did feel social but moderately so.
    Last edited by ANDROCLES; 07-03-2016, 04:09 PM.

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    • kingtut savage


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      #3
      Hilarious yet informative. Smh everytime I think I've decided on what pheros I'm going to get next month, I always see reports like this that make me want to try other ones. Damn it, i wish a was a rich man. That way I could own them all
      Last edited by kingtut savage; 07-17-2016, 09:30 PM. Reason: just realized the "autocorrect" messed up my words. it happens too often

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      • ANDROCLES
        ANDROCLES commented
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        I haven't tried SOB yet, but if Brute is this good for me...... I think I'll get some SOB just because I'm curious.

      • kingtut savage
        kingtut savage commented
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        I haven't used either yet
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      #4
      ANDROCLES Thank you for the very detailed report on Brute. I used some and this is why I think it's important to find a blend that works for you.

      You had much better results than I did, and I'm glad it worked so well for you!

      If you want to read my results...

      I used 2 sprays. It took me a bit to figure this one out. Because I seemed to be getting contradictory results. After awhile, I think I "got it".

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      • ANDROCLES
        ANDROCLES commented
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        Thanks XCC. I shall! Brute has been good to me. I'll finish the bottle because I like it a lot. I've paired it with GOA and really like the difference. I use less Brute, but this is working out.
    • mindpivot


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      #5
      holy crap this is intimidating, not sure any report I write could compare to this. I have to come back to this one and read it with a bit more time.

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      • ANDROCLES
        ANDROCLES commented
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        No need for you to expose this much detail. I just try to be entertaining as I write the note information in. I have a notes system and procedures on my iPhone. My memory isn't this great! LOL.
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      #6
      mindpivot Who said you had to write a report that detailed? Who said you had to compare yourself to anyone?

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      • Paradox
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        #7
        I don't really want to pee all over this report but it looks like a newbie "I was getting looks and smiles" report. It looks like the user has the Newbie Placebo Syndrome (I just coined that phrase). Just because you are wearing pheromones and a woman smiles at you that doesn't mean that she has fallen for you. Women smile. People smile. It's normal.

        People (women included) smile, are polite and flirty. Nothing written above demonstrates over the top behavior. people touch when talking. They smile.

        It's a detailed report though...

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          #8
          Paradox I think one of the benefits of having a variety of people here is to learn from different perspectives. Would you be willing to post a report you've done on a blend that worked versus a report on a blend you think didn't work so we can get a better perspective of an "over the top behavior" versus behavior that is not so we can use them as potential examples?

          I guess my thought I would give to ANDROCLES is... are people usually like this around you without mones such as smiling as much, standing as close as they were, initiating conversation...

          If not, then this might indicate an effect for you. If you know how people act around you without mones, and then notice a difference when mones are used, then perhaps it is the mones... looks and smiles included.

          There are probably some people on this forum who are generally ignored when without mones. In that case, looks and smiles would be an improvement.

          So get an idea of how people are around you without mones, then add the mones and see if you notice a difference. Then you can have a better idea as to the extent of the impact.

          If you're a real geek, go to your favorite search engine and type in.... single subject design

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          • Paradox
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            #9
            I've written many reviews....at another pheromone forum. There seems to be two things happening in this review.

            The first is a perceived interest from your partner. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Testing pheromones on your partner or significant other is almost a worthless exercise. I use my garbageman story to explain why:

            I have a friend of mine who is a sanitation engineer here in Gotham. He is a Gotham City Garbageman.

            After a hard days work he goes home to his wife smelling like garbage. He washes up changes his clothes and sits down for dinner. She feeds him hugs & kisses him. She doesn't mind that faint smell of garbage still coming off of his skin. She loves him.

            This is the problem with testers in a relationship. Their partner is comfortable with them already. Many wives and girlfriends are emotionally tied to their men. They don't care how they smell (although Androstenone and Androstadienone definitely adds a blast to the relationship).

            The second is perceived interest from other women.

            Denial is such a big problem in the pheromone world. Vendors and the user community are in a state of perpetual denial when it comes to the viability of certain products.

            People are hoping upon hope that Product X will work. So much so that they will invent hits. Not maliciously. It just happens. it's called the Placebo effect.

            The idea of the placebo in modern times originated with H. K. Beecher. He evaluated 15 clinical trials concerned with different diseases and found that 35% of 1,082 patients were satisfactorily relieved by a placebo alone ("The Powerful Placebo," 1955). Other studies have since calculated the placebo effect as being even greater than Beecher claimed. For example, studies have shown that placebos are effective in 50 or 60 percent of subjects with certain conditions, e.g., "pain, depression, some heart ailments, gastric ulcers and other stomach complaints."* And, as effective as the new psychotropic drugs seem to be in the treatment of various brain disorders, some researchers maintain that there is not adequate evidence from studies to prove that the new drugs are more effective than placebos. http://skepdic.com/placebo.html

            While the placebo effect was originally attributed to medicine, it also applies here in this community.

            A smile is sometimes just that....a smile. Even your enemy will smile at you.

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              #10
              Paradox Your comments are insightful. That's an important point you raise about behaviors of a significant other being within a certain context associated with pheromone use.

              I would go so far to say that they might be less applicable to situations regarding people you hardly know or people you don't know or social situations depending on the qualitative differences as presented from any deviation from a baseline and/or in terms of frequency, duration, or intensity. I'd be more focused on changes in the established base line and the quality of the behavior. Although the garbage man may get a kiss, is the garbage man getting the usual kiss, or a kiss that has a qualitative difference.

              You're also bringing up topics related to critical thinking. Placebo effect. Heuristics. Confirmation bias. Self-fulfilling prophecy. Base rates. Confounding variables. Take your pick. They all might apply.

              Well thought through, Paradox. Things we might take for granted you've mentioned and you're the first person I've seen bring this up on this forum.

              It sounds like you're familiar with the scientific method, and that you have a lot of experience with mones and critical thinking. Given your background, you probably scrutinize your results thoroughly and can clearly articulate your process by which you do so. Elaborating on your experience and thought processes may benefit the newbies here.

              What do you wish you knew about mones and how to think about hits that you know now that you wished you would have known when you first started? What changes in your thinking have happened since you first starting using mones versus now after all your experience? How do you know if you are seeing a hit from a mone? What is your criteria for a hit? What behaviors do you look for? When you scrutinize your results, how do you know to attribute it to mones versus other possibilities? Do you evaluate your results in a binary fashion (such as presence or absence of a behavior), or qualitatively (examining the intensity, frequency, and duration of the behavior)? How do you know when to be skeptical of a hit being attributed to a mone versus how do you know when to accept that the hit was due to a mone? What else helps you accurately attribute a hit to a mone rather than other factors (she's intoxicated; she just happens to be in a good mood; she's ovulating; you just happen to be her type; etc.)?

              Some of those questions may be repetitive but I'd love to see your answers to them as I'm confident people could benefit.

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                #11
                Xcc, Thanks for the compliments and you are correct in your deductions, I can answer all of the questions but will prob do so tomorrow when I have more time.

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                  #12
                  Paradox GREAT! I wish there was something like a "researcher's training course". Perhaps you'll be the one to create it!

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                    #13
                    Originally posted by Paradox

                    The first is a perceived interest from your partner. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Testing pheromones on your partner or significant other is almost a worthless exercise. .
                    I've disagreed with you about this on the other forum, and I'll disagree with this statement here. I've been married going on 4 years this month, and been with the same woman for 8 years. Pheromones absolutely change our interactions in notable ways. There may be comfort, and she may be "used to my smell (familiarity)" but when you add in a new variable, it has the potential to change the result.

                    I feel like you discard interactions with partners because you're single, and have no use for the partner variable. That makes sense, but the data reported on pheromone use with a partner is useful to some regardless.

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                      RTBoss

                      To quote myself "qualitative differences as presented from any deviation from a baseline and/or in terms of frequency, duration, or intensity"...

                      Yes, I think pheromones can make a difference in established relationships. I've certainly seen changes and improvements. I mean, if someone goes from being disrespectful towards me without mones consistently, then I wear mones and I consistently see respect... then I'd guess there was an effect. How about an increase in kissing? Or an increase in the length of time of a kiss?

                      For me, the main point from Paradox I got was that critical thinking skills are necessary when evaluating results.

                      Thanks for your input, RTBoss... I appreciate your insights.

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                        #15
                        Originally posted by RTBoss

                        I've disagreed with you about this on the other forum, and I'll disagree with this statement here. I've been married going on 4 years this month, and been with the same woman for 8 years.
                        I have said in the past that wives are predisposed to be amorous and have sex because of the nature of marriage. Things can get stale and I've said that plain old Androstenone will spice things up. If it's in an ingredient in a formula then of course a married woman will respond.

                        However, for a single woman plain Androstenone may not be enough. Often adding Alpha Nol and other molecules will give the woman a reason to talk and interact. Also, a married man cannot follow up on suspicions that a pheromone is working on other females as it is necessary to theorize that he "Could have had her (the target)".

                        Your opinion is valuable though.

                        Originally posted by RTBoss

                        I feel like you discard interactions with partners because you're single,
                        I'm glad we can agree to disagree about the topic of testing pheromones on the wife. Congratulations on your 4 (8) year anniversary.

                        You are right. Being single and able to F* close makes me a good tester because I can follow up until I close without making the possibly false assumption that "I could have had her." I can follow up and test the limits of any formula instead of presuming.

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                          Originally posted by Xcc
                          Paradox Your comments are insightful. That's an important point you raise about behaviors of a significant other being within a certain context associated with pheromone use.

                          I would go so far to say that they might be less applicable to situations regarding people you hardly know or people you don't know or social situations depending on the qualitative differences as presented from any deviation from a baseline and/or in terms of frequency, duration, or intensity. I'd be more focused on changes in the established base line and the quality of the behavior. Although the garbage man may get a kiss, is the garbage man getting the usual kiss, or a kiss that has a qualitative difference.

                          You're also bringing up topics related to critical thinking. Placebo effect. Heuristics. Confirmation bias. Self-fulfilling prophecy. Base rates. Confounding variables. Take your pick. They all might apply.



                          What do you wish you knew about mones and how to think about hits that you know now that you wished you would have known when you first started? What changes in your thinking have happened since you first starting using mones versus now after all your experience? How do you know if you are seeing a hit from a mone? What is your criteria for a hit? What behaviors do you look for? When you scrutinize your results, how do you know to attribute it to mones versus other possibilities? Do you evaluate your results in a binary fashion (such as presence or absence of a behavior), or qualitatively (examining the intensity, frequency, and duration of the behavior)? How do you know when to be skeptical of a hit being attributed to a mone versus how do you know when to accept that the hit was due to a mone? What else helps you accurately attribute a hit to a mone rather than other factors (she's intoxicated; she just happens to be in a good mood; she's ovulating; you just happen to be her type; etc.)?

                          Some of those questions may be repetitive but I'd love to see your answers to them as I'm confident people could benefit.
                          I was thinking about this. I was going to write a treatise on my method. It would be to long to write and too long to read in one sitting. I do have a journal at Pherotruth so I think that I'll journal my method in entries there.

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                            #17
                            Paradox Great! Could you please post a link or links?

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                              #18
                              Originally posted by Xcc
                              Paradox Great! Could you please post a link or links?

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                                Paradox Thank you! I'll check out the links when I get time to have a thorough go!

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                                • ANDROCLES
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                                  #20
                                  Originally posted by Xcc
                                  Paradox I think one of the benefits of having a variety of people here is to learn from different perspectives. Would you be willing to post a report you've done on a blend that worked versus a report on a blend you think didn't work so we can get a better perspective of an "over the top behavior" versus behavior that is not so we can use them as potential examples?

                                  I guess my thought I would give to ANDROCLES is... are people usually like this around you without mones such as smiling as much, standing as close as they were, initiating conversation...

                                  If not, then this might indicate an effect for you. If you know how people act around you without mones, and then notice a difference when mones are used, then perhaps it is the mones... looks and smiles included.

                                  There are probably some people on this forum who are generally ignored when without mones. In that case, looks and smiles would be an improvement.

                                  So get an idea of how people are around you without mones, then add the mones and see if you notice a difference. Then you can have a better idea as to the extent of the impact.

                                  If you're a real geek, go to your favorite search engine and type in.... single subject design

                                  Thanks @ Xcc - Thanks RTBOSS. I'm legit. I'm not a newbie. I can distinguish from a mone influenced smile and a freindly one. Its the eye contact and a facial change that is distinctive. Some people will trust what I write and some won't. It's understandable. If I switched out "Brute" in my write-up and put 'Alpha Maschio', Paradox probably wouldn't have busted his seal to pee. - Just saying....

                                  I theorize I produce low strength natural none. Hence I can use the alphas without issues. Sometimes I've ghosted on dosages. Sometimes the opposite in BETAnizing - For example, I can't stand Exotica. It turns people into rudeness. I prefer combos and I have my own methods of application. I don't care if I waste product. I'm learning. I make money. It's my life. I'm enjoying it.

                                  I consider myself very experienced with the mones I have. I actually use them and take notes on my iphone, that's how I get vivid details. I can't remember every naunce otherwise. Real world people, real world experience. I don't like to generalize. I have no interest in making this stuff up. I have nothing to gain in that regard. That would be a stupid waste of time. Yes, I exaggerate some descriptions of people to make the observations comical, entertaining, and with dose of wit. Mostly metaphorical junk.

                                  Like most people, I'm a busy professional. I don't want to hype anything or destroy a product. I give my perspective. That's it. I decided to provide my experience to help others and learn stuff myself. There is value in that. This whole observation just created more substance with the help of Paradox. Thanks sir! Not!

                                  I have other notes from other mones and even on Brute. I don't post them. Those weren't REMARKABLE or post worthy. They still had mone effect on people; but, lack of significant evidence-to-value, exposing the product properly (from my perspective), and wasn't enough to post like the days above.

                                  All mones work to a degree. I hate Exotica. Plain and simple. It makes people rude to me between 1/2 spray to 2 full sprays. The dosage doesn't matter. The conditions, the situations. I'm done testing Exotica enough to dislike wasting more time.

                                  @parodox - Pee all you want. Drain that older bladder. Always trying to use the "Newbie" blunt force introduction as your first response to anyone new to the forums. Then comes the pincer attack with "Google found"- Wikipedia extracts to support your paragraphs.You are so quick to respond to them, with cynicism and superiority. I posted this write-up in PT many days before here at XS. Why didn't you respond there? There is a reason.

                                  I've read most of your pages and responses. A superiority complex comes out in your responses from my interpretation. I mean, I just look at your Avatar. PUA..does that stand for Pick Up Artist?.smh...I know, I know..you love to tout that 20 years experience of using mones as a life accomplishment. It doesn't make you an expert or knowledge resource at all, especially for me. You give opinions. I'd rather read 10 newbie placebo reviews to your 1. It doesn't matter to me. I buy the stuff and then USE them real-world, real people, real life. I'm not on a budget. I can afford many mones. I'm a successful and responsible adult and have a fantastic career. I've been all over the world, met thousands of people. I can go with any mone vendor product you hate and buy whatever they have and use it. You can't stop me or others with your post responses. You can't. I don't have beef with you, but dang, chill with the noobie, newbie stuff with each response to put new folks to forums in a place.

                                  Call me out as subjective. I'll still buy, use and post my observations. Don't read what you don't like. Don't respond to newbies, it doesn't suit you. I think you should use your superior knowledge and vast laying experience to write a book and sell it on Amazon. In fact, why don't you be a celebrity? You are gifted aren't you?

                                  Start your own Forum? You have time.

                                  By the way. This report wasn't a review. I don't need subject headers and then post a litany of general opinions. It was a couple hours worth of real world observations. I didn't chat with anyone more than 5 minutes in these interactions. It's not complete. I have all summer to post more. You specifically can ignore all my writing and move on with your life at age 50 something, using your time on forums to find every newbie post you want or continue to sidetrack and distract every newbie post, since you have the time. By the way, can you throw in your 20 years of experience comment on your signature? I think that's cool.

                                  Paradox you don't ever have to respond to any of my posts, ever. I would be happy if you do. That would tell me you are reasonable and capable of controlling emotions. You seem like an intelligent older man with lots of time and who wants sex with each mone purchase. If it doesn't help you do that, it's not for you. I get it. You lay left and right. Good job!



                                  I've been using mones for 8 years. But yeah, I'm a newbie to Brute. I just wore it less than 10 times. How expert are you on Brute... Paradox?

                                  I think that nonsense about relationship skewed mone observations is really stupid. Completely stupid. I'm the best expert at noticing this. She's my girl.

                                  Okay, enough of this distraction.

                                  This summer I'm actually testing dozens of combos. I received Brute as a gift. So why not try it? I decided to. These were reasonably detailed observation notes. What if half of these IOIs are placebo? Really?

                                  Btw. If all Brute was just a placebo. I'm buying more. Heck yeah! Have a stranger, a beautiful stranger come close like that. Heck yeah. I don't get this from just showering and cologne. Give me some damn Brute.

                                  I'll have me some Brute.
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