I'm Smitten with a Kitten: Advice Wanted

[Indi-player]

Never tested Steve's products yet. My first purchase was a couple of days ago.

[Muestereate]

Was it XS. Steve usually overfills everything

[Muestereate]

also missed conversion for 6 ml 180 drops/ 6000/180 = 33.3

[Muestereate]

and it is dependent on dropper type, A euro dropper can vary by 30 percent and there are many different Eurodropper. That should hold for a standard eye dropper

[Indi-player]

Thanks for the math lesson, Indi. I think my stumbling moment was coming up with the number of drops. I came across some info online but I just couldn't wrap my head around it (along with the rest of the workday, today).

No worries!

Ive seen steve mention it once here and on pheroteuth on how many drops his 10ml bottles were. And you're right, not all 10ml have the same drops. Cant remember which other company but I remember getting 450 drops from a 10ml once. It wasnt all oil mind you but 60%alcohol/40% oil, it was more runny.

[Mad Scientist]

The big day is here, dont get nervous, treat it like any other interactions. And go for it if you see any slight openings. The pheromones will do the rest. Hope to hear your progress soon.

[Johnny Fever]

Thanks for the math lesson, Indi. I think my stumbling moment was coming up with the number of drops. I came across some info online but I just couldn't wrap my head around it (along with the rest of the workday, today).

[Indi-player]

10ml 300 drops
6mg/10ml
1mg=1000mcg
6mg=6000mcg
6000mcg/300 drops =20mcg per drop

[Johnny Fever]

OK, much to my surprise my appointment is tomorrow and not Thursday as I had thought (thank goodness for setting reminders in our scheduling software). I do have a question hopefully somebody can help with.

Maybe I'm just in a fog, but the A1 I have is suppose to be 6mg in a 6ml bottle. Unless I'm clearly missing the point I'm not sure what the strength of each drop should be. If I don't get an answer I'll just wing it with the dose (actually just purchased A1 from PXS during the sale since there's a given strength per bottle). Hopefully somebody will tell me where I'm missing the mcg-per-drop info on the L-S bottled version.

[Mad Scientist]

That is exactly the sort of attitude that will give you plenty of lays !

The heck with oneitis, there are plenty of fish in the pond. If a lady does not feel the same way towards you, its her loss that she wont experience your great, caring, tender, loving and worthy affection.

[Johnny Fever]

Trying not to get caught up in oneitis as while I know I happen to like this particular target I know there's plenty of women out there and being armed with pheromones it's a new, exciting world to experiment with. If nothing else it will be a great experiment to see how women act and react. If things seem to roll easier with meeting and interacting with the ladies so much the better.

[Mad Scientist]

Regarding the short or long route, both has its merits and demerits imo. But i agree with your aim, be ready for the long run, but if you see any opportunity or openings during this interaction, or any future interactions for that matter, go the short route and make a move. Also, remember to never fail to expose her to the pheromones in future interactions. Try to stay in the vicinity of 3 or 4 feet average near her for maximum exposure. And since it looks like you have enough social skills near a woman, i trust that you will know your openings and whatnot.

Regarding her state of mind, if you had shown a body language that you are attracted to her in the past, whether conciously or subconciously, there is a high likeliness she already knows that, women almost never miss it. Whether she has friendzoned you or not due to your lack of making a move is an entirely different matter. We will see that after you have made a move from her reaction and response, as it is near impossible to tell from afar through a forum lol. Either way, there is a way to respond to that. For now, concentrate on the current strategy.

As for the situation of being rejected, it is a normal phenomena, just be a man and move on, act like its no big deal (as it is not), be even more confident in your swagger. Dont make it awkward yourself, and it certainly wont be. And good luck, and reportyour progress.

[Mad Scientist]

Regarding the apps point,
Nude Alpha on both inner arms (the inside of elbows) 5 drops, maybe 3 drops on one side and 2 drops on other side.
Likewise, use A1 on the inside of your wrists, 50mcgs on one inside wrists.
Glace 3 sprays on the other inside wrists and 2 sprays on your neck.

The A1 is applied as far from your nose to avoid negative effects, the Glace on your wrists to maximise exposing her to it to loosen her, and on your neck to loosen you for self effects. The Nude Alpha to interact and mix with Glace and A1 from the middle to project a wholesome vibe of that combos.

Neck, inner arms, inner wrists, are usually app points because they are pulse points that generate body heat the most for best diffusion.

If you products are scented, if you can smell the scents yourself, that means most likely your target can smell it too. If unscented, apply your cover colognes directly or near your apps point, using your nose as an adjustment as to how much cologne you put on. But since masks are a problem in todays world, it might be better to go higher than normal on the scents. Personally, i dont experience much barrier even with normal surgical masks etc. Its the N95 types masks that cause a problems to me. This is within a range of 5 to 6 feet of target. Still experimenting too myself. Also, use the best cologne you have for best
diffusion.

[Johnny Fever]

I just notice you had Glace as well, silly me, this is perfect. Why dont you try the popular 'falling in love mix' with this This upcoming long interaction, use Nude Alpha 5 drops, 50 mcgs of A1, and 3 or 4 spray of Glace for great initial impression.

Any pointers on good app points for each? Obviously need to fight through the mask, so I'd like to optimize things as much as possible.

Then ask her out if you want the short route. If she accepts, which i very highly think she will, great, then continue to expose her to it in future interactions. I can almost quarentee you that if you dont fuck it up big time with a major dumb move, she will fall for you hard.

If you want the long route, expose her to the above combos in the upcoming interaction. Then use 2 Drops Nude Alpha+25mcgs A1+3spray Glace in the future 5 or 6 interactions with her. Make sure there is atleast a gap of 1 week between those exposures, and with your current intervals of seeing her,this is perfect too. Also do this in the very small chance that she rejects you in your approach in the above short route exposure. In time, she will certainly develop feelings for you and make it obvious to you. 90 percent guarentee. This is why i im careful of using Nude Alpha,very careful, especially around women i am not attracted to.

While the short route isn't off the table I'm just thinking that leveraging the long game may play out better for me, but I won't discount going the short route if the opportunity presents itself.

Yeah, lets hope the Glace is still a good performer like before. But no worries, there are lots of socials out there that could replace Glace alone and in that combo imo. But remember that you will need to do your part of interacting with her and letting her know that you like her, letting her know you are attracted to her subtly is very important,i hope you remember that.

I think she's somewhat, already aware of this from our past interactions, but I'm uncertain if I may have inadvertently friend-zoned myself. The last interaction I had with her about a month ago appeared good but, admittedly, I might have seen what I "wanted" and not necessarily with a degree of objectivity.

And the long route will be an interesting experiment too, cant wait to hear your reports. But like you said, if she ever show an open gesture or you are successful at kinoing her etc, dont miss the chance and make your move, or else your chances might die because you fail to act. I would have preferred the short route but nothing wrong with the long route, especially with a work colleague. This will be fun and interesting.

Remember, dont be scared to go after a woman you desire, ever. Women loves a guy who knows what he wants.

As mentioned before, I value my job and work environment so I will take the chance if I feel certain that even if it doesn't turn out the way I would like that there's no funny tension between us, as I'm sure neither my super nor HR would be equally entertained.

I'll be certain to post the follow up when we meet next week.

[Mad Scientist]

Yeah, lets hope the Glace is still a good performer like before. But no worries, there are lots of socials out there that could replace Glace alone and in that combo imo. But remember that you will need to do your part of interacting with her and letting her know that you like her, letting her know you are attracted to her subtly is very important,i hope you remember that.

And the long route will be an interesting experiment too, cant wait to hear your reports. But like you said, if she ever show an open gesture or you are successful at kinoing her etc, dont miss the chance and make your move, or else your chances might die because you fail to act. I would have preferred the short route but nothing wrong with the long route, especially with a work colleague. This will be fun and interesting.

Remember, dont be scared to go after a woman you desire, ever. Women loves a guy who knows what he wants.

[Johnny Fever]

Mad Scientist Even though I had the "falling in love combo" written in my journal o' notes I had completely skipped my mind. My bottle of Glace was purchased a few months ago, right before they dropped it from their website, so I don't know if that's necessarily good or not - assuming they knew they were going to dump it. It was the mix you mentioned which actually swayed me into picking up a bottle, so I hope it wasn't in vain.

I'm thinking of taking the long route unless I pick up a vibration that she seems more positive than not. While I've worked with her for a couple of years since she's started with us and have had good interactions the times I'm around her are a little sporadic. If I pick up on positive banter and the friendly touch materializes I will definitely make a move. It will be interesting to see where this may go.

I'm getting stoked.

[Mad Scientist]

I just notice you had Glace as well, silly me, this is perfect. Why dont you try the popular 'falling in love mix' with this kitten. Glace will open up your interactions with her, with both of you eager to chatter when Glace hits. I assume your Glace is Nos version. And any beta vibe the est in Glace have will be offset by the Nude Alpha. That way, you dont have to force a conversation with her, as the Glace will naturally do it between you two.

This upcoming long interaction, use Nude Alpha 5 drops, 50 mcgs of A1, and 3 or 4 spray of Glace for great initial impression. Then ask her out if you want the short route. If she accepts, which i very highly think she will, great, then continue to expose her to it in future interactions. I can almost quarentee you that if you dont fuck it up big time with a major dumb move, she will fall for you hard.

If you want the long route, expose her to the above combos in the upcoming interaction. Then use 2 Drops Nude Alpha+25mcgs A1+3spray Glace in the future 5 or 6 interactions with her. Make sure there is atleast a gap of 1 week between those exposures, and with your current intervals of seeing her,this is perfect too. Also do this in the very small chance that she rejects you in your approach in the above short route exposure. In time, she will certainly develop feelings for you and make it obvious to you. 90 percent guarentee. This is why i im careful of using Nude Alpha,very careful, especially around women i am not attracted to.

[Mad Scientist]

Thats good to hear you aint going stalker mode or begging mode. Many guys do this and its such a turn off to women. I like the fact that you put value in yourself and your work, that is an attractive trait as well. Keep it up.

Regarding the notion of still working with her in a professional sense, that will still be there even if you make a move. The best thing for you is to make a move. Make your intentions known that you are attracted to her. Believe me, she might even already know it, because women are that good at picking up attraction signs. If you beat around the bush too much, she will soon dismiss your interest as non interest or boring. I implore you to make a move at the end of the 2 hour or so interaction, after exposing her to your pheromones for almost 2 hours with your close interactions.

Regarding the pheromones, Xist and Nude Alpha are really good for long term relationship. Since she is in her thirties, Nude Alpha wont be intimidating for her. For repeated exposure, use 1 or 2 drops with 25mcgs of A1. For 1 time initial exposure where you want to make a great impression, 5 or 6 drops with 50 mcgs of A1. Thats what my usual dosages are normally. Be sure touse a good cover for greatdiffusion as well.

PLEASE MAKE A MOVE.

[Johnny Fever]

Well if thats the case, i think you really need to make the most of your encounters with her, present and future. You have known each other for years, so she might not see you as a relationship option, given the age gap and how long you have known each other and you not making a move. The most important thing is MAKE A MOVE. Let her know you are interested, and if she accepts, good. If not, then move on. Dont go into Stalker/ I wont take No for an answer territory. That will lead to HR problem. Making a move and asking her out wont.

No plans on going Staler by any means. I value / enjoy my work too much to throw it all away over a woman. Besides, I'd rather have the ability to enjoy working with this young woman, even if any relationship stays strictly as work-related. At least I'd still be treated to gazing and conversing with her from time to time.

I still stand by the Xist and A1 combo, plus the Nude Alpha and A1 combo, if you have the patience to wait for 4 or 5 interactions. But by this, dont just rely on the pheromones to hook her. Interact with her, flirt with her, and make it known you are interested in her. Forget the HR scare, what you are doing is just normal stuff, and if you dont go overboard into pushy, touchy, and weirdo territory (which i assume you wont ), she will be delighted if she is open to it, girls love it when a man goes after what he wants. And if she aint interested, she will decling you politely, and you should move on. No harm no foul.

If you, on the other hand want to go the short route and try to close in that 2 hour interaction, go with SOB 2 drops. Or BW and Xist, or AV, or BW+AV seems the best option from your stash. But remember to be congruent with the vibe your mone is projecting. Or it will confuse her and second guess you. Good luck. Hope to hear your progress soon.

I just get the general impression that something more commanding might be a bit too intimidating toward her so I'd rather be in it for the long game. It might also be interesting to see if she makes requests for follow-up work since I'm assigned to her site so she'd know it would be me returning on return visits. Our friendly touching and banter will make for a good gauge to see how things progress ... or not.

But as a general rule of thumb, more is not always better. Your sweet spot (read it up) is what matters most. After this, it will be down to diffusion (look it up too). You can try an extra cover to aid diffusion to help as well.

I know with my limited experience since I've renewed my interest in pheromones in recent years I haven't been keeping a journal on my hits and misses as far as doses go, which is probably a bad thing for me. I usually either use the baseline dose recommended with a product or what someone more experienced than myself recommends.

I appreciate the advice offered by the more learned among the group here as well as the encouragement. Regardless of the outcome it's exciting and new territory to explore so I'm looking forward to the journey nonetheless.

[Muestereate]

I found that uppingg 30 percent from my sweet spot helped. People still have a lot of apprehension though outside of familiar people. Even girls I bump into a couple times a month are acting unfamiliar though, When I say familiar, I'm talking your close inner circle. a slightly more casual circle still has this apprehension and so they should, Covid is going through the roof right now and it spreads like throwing gasoline on a campfire.

Despite this I tried ramping up an Nude/cohesion combo last week. I got pulled in by two ladies but then they pushed back out to about 4 feet. Cohesion usually pulls them within touching distance. It was like I had a bit of a bubble, 4 drops cohesion, 4 drops nude. enough to reach through the masks but the bubble effect I associate with either a cover scent overload or a pheromone over load. Next time 3 and 3 but the social distance thing is all about pushing away and fighting natural desires to socialize.

I may try a heavy dose of androstanone for familiarity soon. I tried the light dose that works nice for me but social distancing still prevailed. I am talking sober environments. Alcohol may be the only way to reduce peoples inhibitions enough to put their health at risk but I don't drink. All my experiments are with sober people. Tried 87 for disinhibition. no dice on first try.