XS120 Beta (The Thinker)

[2000GT]

I think I'll give this a try with XS99 since that brings out the extrovert in me. Good suggestion Magnus, I'll report back when I have time. Got my sister's wedding this weekend so I'll have to plan this carefully.

[Dignify]

Congrats in advance GT!

[Magnus]

XS99 I have no experience with but from the sound of it, there is no sexual tension creator there.

I'd suggest something like SOB to give it that sexual orientation.

On the other hand the point of this new mix is to test it under all circumstances so have at it. Let us know how it works out.

I'm actually excited that others are starting to branch out on what thinker can do other than just use it for focus.

Bet Steve never thought people would be using his focus potion as a basis for a sexual attraction combo. And that is what I am working on. Bliss is my focus potion. Does not make me happy much at all. This, this is a different creature in my opinion.

[Magnus]

2-27-2014

Did a complete wash up today including a full bath in hunters soap and hydrogen peroxide. Still smelt mones strongly when I peed though. lol

There does seem to be a build up of these things getting in your system for sure.

2 Sprays Thinker, 1 Spray Connections, 1 Spray SOB.

First off I noticed that the sleepiness that comes with Thinker is wearing off on me. Perhaps that was enhanced by the fact I've had a sinus cold I've been fighting for almost a dang month now and I'm almost over it I think. In any case, I'm do not require as much sleep as I did a week ago although I still get tired a little about an hour or so after spraying Thinker.

Second, I noticed quite a large increase in general conversation and a surprising degree of it had sexual connitations too it. And when I say a surprising amount, I mean a statistically significant amount. Every female around me seemed have their mind on sex for some reason or another and it was almost subconscious in how it was expressed in conversation sometimes and rather playful at others.

While I was dining out tonight I was told by a meddlesome female that I got a couple looks from afar from our waitress when she was out of my field of vision. This female thought that was high comedy when she was not obsessing over this latino kitchen worker. lol

Lots of picking and playing with the other adults about her new crush occurred while we were eating.

I myself think that this concept of combos.......Thinker, Social, Sexual or Sexual-Social has real promise in being of use to introverts.

My instinct is that when your target accepts you and is ready to be seduced she will go introverted and be passive while you seduce her so you have to be prepared to escalate when this happens and move back if she puts up a complaint and keep going back and forth with it until she is completely comfortable. Although once your target goes passive, i think you should go in for the home run and close the deal so to speak by going with full escalation.

This is just instinct because I have yet to try it will a willing target, but that will take time and opportunity. All things in good time my friends and I welcome anyone to grab this up and run with it.

I'd love to see others take up Thinker & Connections and report on what happens when you add Evolve or Evolve and Xist. Or SoB and Xist. Maybe even SoB and A1 as a single. Right now SOB, Evolve, and Taboo along with Xist are the products I see ramping up the sexual vibe you need to close the deal with the Thinker & Connections combo which in my opinion should be mandatory. If you wear one, you ought to wear the other. They are the yin to each others yang in my opinion.

This will probably be my last report on Thinker for a while as I'm going to sit back and let some others carry out some tests. My opinion is this should be a retail product but I'm hesitant as to where to place it on the list. Again, in my opinion, this is an enhancement product similar to reports of p83, and Xist but enhancement in a different way than either of them. Sure this product might be a focus potion for some, but it think its way more powerful juice than to let it languish as a focus potion. Perhaps put it in the uni section under socials because its primary effects are certainly not sexual in nature and without other product is not attraction either.

[nbat]

Magnus, thank you for your reports! Awesome observations and insights. I second what you said in this last post about adding a sexual and a social to thinker. I've had some great nights with 2x Thinker - 2x Flirt - 1x drop Evolve. Sometimes I'll kick up the Evolve to 2x, but i like it more as a backing usually. Also, Thinker and Love Boat is fun, but it seem to be hit or miss for me.

[Magnus]

Your very welcome. It was good to find something that seems to fit me like a glove when its mixed with a social and sexual. I'm wondering if the fear of loss in Core would add to to this for imprinting purposes? I wonder what it is in Core that causes the fear of loss effect? if its a single, maybe just add the single and avoid the complication of adding a complex mix to an already over-complex combo...

[Magnus]

I'm probably not done testing and reporting on Thinker anyway. I really think I can make a hard hitting combo based on this juice for introverts. Not sure it would work the same on extroverts but it is what it is and I think it will be wonderful for introverts once I get the kinks out of it and get it tested and can give a recipe to others to test and verify.

[ryusei]

I would think something like core + the thinker + pse aka xs129/pbomb would be good I might test it sometime once it's in stock.

[Magnus]

My understanding is that pbomb is not sexual but more so a super social that can sometimes go sexual but I could be wrong.

xs129 is a wildcard, a beta tester that I really can't even start to try to experiment on with this type of project because its probably not in its final form and I don't want to get a good combo up and running and recommended and then the formula changes and have to start over again.

My goal is to test and cross test every XS sexual & social combination with Thinker and tabulate the results into a recommendation(s) for introverts depending on the situation they are in and what their goals are. There are those who believe that the perfect pheromone product is in a single bottle and that might be true for the majority but there is a significant minority out there who because of their personality types, epigenetic expressions, and other issues need combos to get the effects that your average person might get with an Evolve or Ammo product. That is what I am working on here. Essentially, this is a selfish objective as I am looking for my personal holy grail pheromone signature. The bigger picture is that I believe the theory I am using to develop this is useful to many in our community and is a win win for everyone including our targets if we have good intentions in our hearts.

You don't find many players who are introverts. You find most are looking for that one special person who will complete their lives and give them a reason to come out of their shells. If better living through chemistry can help charm their targets and the flames of mutual respect and attraction are enhanced by that then its a home run for us all. I'm not foolish enough to believe that pheromones are going to do the whole job, but there are indeed triggers that occur in our brains that lead to almost magical instant attraction and if we can use pheromones to activate those triggers which I am attempting to do with my combo, then all the thought and effort put into this will be worth it.

Personally, I'd love to find a pheromone that causes almost instant PEA level increases that would lead to love at first sight but the dark side issues with that are so freaking huge I don't know if I even want to go that route. If you have never looked into PEA and how it works in the process during first love or love at first sight, you should check it out. There might even be some psychological triggers you PUA's might be able to share with us to cause certain mental states that lead to the release of the chemical soup that supports PEA and trigger its sudden release and thus manually create the love at first sight effect. I bet it will never be that easy, but hey...it might, not sure anyone ever thought it it in that way. The idea interests me so I probably will go look into it again and look into the psychological states that are required for the release of the chemical soup that creates first love.

Huge project for a mone noob like me but when I screw up, I'll learn more, and the people here will help guide me back to the promised land because this whole forum is about advancing the science of pheromones, and the lives of those who use them.

I've rambled enough so I'm outta here, Lot of theory and creative expression in this post from a sleep deprived creativity enhanced mind at the moment, but all good things must come to an end. I'm crashing fast now.

Laters.

[ryusei]

Yeah I am an introvert myself and totally support you. You may see it as selfish as you are doing it for your own goals, it does help people like me though who are introverts. Rest well buddy.

[Dignify]

It's not really selfish if you're doing it to benefit the community. Good insightful reports Magnus

[Magnus]

This mix and concept has gotten in my head. Said I was walking away, but not yet, not yet.

Tried Thinker, SOB, Connections all at one spay yesterday and was not really impressed with its communication and depth aspects. The inhibition and sexual forwardness was there, but the connection aspect did not seem to jump out at you, nor did the feelings of closeness and getting the people around you or them getting you. Odd that one less spray of Thinker changed this.

So in current form the mix seems to work like this:

2X Thinker, 1 or 2X Social, 1X Sexual - or at least 1X sexual is as far as I have tested it.

So far, I'm think this mix is hitting pretty good, but again I feel that its going to work best on targets that have a latent attraction to you already. Not seeing this as something that will pull strangers although that really has yet to be tested in avenues I'm comfortable with. I do feel I could use it to pull female friends if I worked it, but none of my current clique are really what I am interested in and my only target I have access to on a semi-regular basis seems happily involved with her BF. Sad this is I think this combo might create even more intense feelings for the guy she likes in her head as I am seeing aspects of this in the women around me already.

So what do we modify about this to take their minds off the ones they love and direct them to the wearer? Do we even want to? Isn't that too much on the dark side? Perhaps this would work better on strangers when your in the environment that promotes getting together, say a bar or other social gathering...

I see comfort, I see attraction, I see arousal. What I am not seeing is redirection of romantic feelings, long term feelings reorientation toward the wearer away from their current infatuation. Its like this mix is missing a boyfriend molecule or two...which would be the best to add to this?

I'm tempted to switch from SOB to Evolve and see how that goes although I've always gotten more hits of various kinds from SOB than I have Evolve.

I have to say I am disappointed. Not because women aren't dropping at my feet, but because there seems to be a fundamental flaw in my holy grail mix being the lack of redirection of romantic feelings from their infatuation toward the wearer. Everything else seems to be working fine. I see people around me feeling more intensely about their infatuations, opening up and talking more about their infatuations, even planning on escalation in their relationships in a emotional / sexual way.

The interpersonal aspects of this mix intrigue me like no other pheromone signature ever has. I'm one step from creating a combo that at least for me personally pulls a certain percentage of women to me and allows me to escalate or walk way as I see fit. I see a control factor here that puts me in control of what happens next rather than the control factor being in the target's hands. Darksidish....maybe, but its refreshing to a field mouse type person like me to know that a rejection is not going to crush me and I don't feel obligated to take whatever drops in my lap because of fear of never finding the One. This is a round about way of explaining the self effects I see from this mix.

Others include: I feel ready for escalation at most times. I'm ready to connect deeply with who ever I meet that I click with. I get sad if I let an opportunity pass by, but not crushed. I have worries, but they stay in the back of my head rather than front and center. Over my testing period, I am starting to see the focus aspect of Thinker. I am at a loss as of yet whether the focus comes from actual increase in focus, or the ability to step back from something and look at it without negative emotions. Two entirely different approaches to focus with two entirely different outcomes when your objective is not focus, but attraction. Might need a extra look at me molecule along with a boyfriend molecule to place the thought in the head of potential targets that this guy standing her might make a better BF than the one they are thinking about.

I'm also of the opinion that when the women around a man start thinking about their infatuations they are instinctively protecting themselves from feelings that might be brewing in them about you. If this opinion is fact then their might not be any fundamental flaw at all but merely a deficit of steering mechanisms in the combo as well as lack of escalation attempts on the wearers part. Both of which could be playing a major factor in that longing is not being satisfied by current surroundings and imagination is starting to fulfill what is not being provided by the wearer.

Someone on another forum was asking for a pheromone mix that might push people away from them and I would like to promote this concept. Thinker puts you inside yourself, enhances the introverts natural tendency to distance people from them. Combining a strong alpha / respect mix with thinker could create this standoffish bubble the requester wanted.

Another think I am noticing with this current combo I am obsessed with is increased awareness of scent. My own particular scent smells bad to me sometimes in particular one I associate sexuality. Several times when my emotions peeked while writing this post I noticed that odor got stronger than usual. Side effect of the combo...or just placebo because I'm more aware of scents as messengers now than I have been in the past. Maybe thinkers focus mechanism causes you to notice little things easier than you normally would.

I feel dumb and slow this morning cause I did not sleep much last night. Sorta lack of sleep hangover if you will. Won't perk up until the sun goes down.....how weird is that...?

[ryusei]

This mix and concept has gotten in my head. Said I was walking away, but not yet, not yet.

Tried Thinker, SOB, Connections all at one spay yesterday and was not really impressed with its communication and depth aspects. The inhibition and sexual forwardness was there, but the connection aspect did not seem to jump out at you, nor did the feelings of closeness and getting the people around you or them getting you. Odd that one less spray of Thinker changed this.

So in current form the mix seems to work like this:

2X Thinker, 1 or 2X Social, 1X Sexual - or at least 1X sexual is as far as I have tested it.

So far, I'm think this mix is hitting pretty good, but again I feel that its going to work best on targets that have a latent attraction to you already. Not seeing this as something that will pull strangers although that really has yet to be tested in avenues I'm comfortable with. I do feel I could use it to pull female friends if I worked it, but none of my current clique are really what I am interested in and my only target I have access to on a semi-regular basis seems happily involved with her BF. Sad this is I think this combo might create even more intense feelings for the guy she likes in her head as I am seeing aspects of this in the women around me already.

So what do we modify about this to take their minds off the ones they love and direct them to the wearer? Do we even want to? Isn't that too much on the dark side? Perhaps this would work better on strangers when your in the environment that promotes getting together, say a bar or other social gathering...

I see comfort, I see attraction, I see arousal. What I am not seeing is redirection of romantic feelings, long term feelings reorientation toward the wearer away from their current infatuation. Its like this mix is missing a boyfriend molecule or two...which would be the best to add to this?

I'm tempted to switch from SOB to Evolve and see how that goes although I've always gotten more hits of various kinds from SOB than I have Evolve.

I have to say I am disappointed. Not because women aren't dropping at my feet, but because there seems to be a fundamental flaw in my holy grail mix being the lack of redirection of romantic feelings from their infatuation toward the wearer. Everything else seems to be working fine. I see people around me feeling more intensely about their infatuations, opening up and talking more about their infatuations, even planning on escalation in their relationships in a emotional / sexual way.

The interpersonal aspects of this mix intrigue me like no other pheromone signature ever has. I'm one step from creating a combo that at least for me personally pulls a certain percentage of women to me and allows me to escalate or walk way as I see fit. I see a control factor here that puts me in control of what happens next rather than the control factor being in the target's hands. Darksidish....maybe, but its refreshing to a field mouse type person like me to know that a rejection is not going to crush me and I don't feel obligated to take whatever drops in my lap because of fear of never finding the One. This is a round about way of explaining the self effects I see from this mix.

Others include: I feel ready for escalation at most times. I'm ready to connect deeply with who ever I meet that I click with. I get sad if I let an opportunity pass by, but not crushed. I have worries, but they stay in the back of my head rather than front and center. Over my testing period, I am starting to see the focus aspect of Thinker. I am at a loss as of yet whether the focus comes from actual increase in focus, or the ability to step back from something and look at it without negative emotions. Two entirely different approaches to focus with two entirely different outcomes when your objective is not focus, but attraction. Might need a extra look at me molecule along with a boyfriend molecule to place the thought in the head of potential targets that this guy standing her might make a better BF than the one they are thinking about.

I'm also of the opinion that when the women around a man start thinking about their infatuations they are instinctively protecting themselves from feelings that might be brewing in them about you. If this opinion is fact then their might not be any fundamental flaw at all but merely a deficit of steering mechanisms in the combo as well as lack of escalation attempts on the wearers part. Both of which could be playing a major factor in that longing is not being satisfied by current surroundings and imagination is starting to fulfill what is not being provided by the wearer.

Someone on another forum was asking for a pheromone mix that might push people away from them and I would like to promote this concept. Thinker puts you inside yourself, enhances the introverts natural tendency to distance people from them. Combining a strong alpha / respect mix with thinker could create this standoffish bubble the requester wanted.

Another think I am noticing with this current combo I am obsessed with is increased awareness of scent. My own particular scent smells bad to me sometimes in particular one I associate sexuality. Several times when my emotions peeked while writing this post I noticed that odor got stronger than usual. Side effect of the combo...or just placebo because I'm more aware of scents as messengers now than I have been in the past. Maybe thinkers focus mechanism causes you to notice little things easier than you normally would.

I feel dumb and slow this morning cause I did not sleep much last night. Sorta lack of sleep hangover if you will. Won't perk up until the sun goes down.....how weird is that...?

I would say pairing this with thundrs core and imprint (if you have it) would be worth a shot, theres plenty about it on the other forum and I beilieve fear of loss might have been mentioned which I think you might be aware of since I know you are on there too. Also maybe magnetic aka xs-127 could be good too since magnetic will probably draw people too you I dont have it yet but the name makes it pretty obvious imo. I'll have magnetic and the thinker here in a few days and will def test it out as I am a typical introvert really appreciate your posts and they are very helpful, cheers.

[ryusei]

I would say try this with PSE. That mix seems like it packs a punch. I agree as well about a BF molecule thing that divert her thoughts to you instead of anyone else. But that seems really really hard if not impossible to come up with something like that, I guess that part comes from your interaction and approach

Steve told me it's best not to mix pse with anything so I probably wouldn't go that route.

[Magnus]

I'd like to see the solo reports for PSE before we start going mad scientist on it like I did Thinker. I had a gut feeling with Thinker and went with it and came up with some good combos. But, I've also sprayed my stupid ass with combos that was just a waste of money and even worse....a social outcasting.

Word is, careful what you sprayin or you'll end up like the neighborhood cat.......with yo nutz chopped off.

[Magnus]

Now onto a new Thinker report. No I'm not "thought" out. pun intended. lol

Today: No Shower.

2 sprays thinker, 2 sprays connections, 2 sprays evolve = mostly waste of time in my opinion.

I was a little more introverted than usual today but then I only had 3 hours sleep last night so it is what it is.

Was out in public and around part of my clique for half the day but all I really wanted to do today is go back to sleep.

What I did do was go to walmart and grocery shop and talk to one of the cashiers while drooling over another one. lol

Conversation was open, friendly, and people still telling me things I really didn't need to know. Really seemed to be wanting me to make the decisions as well. Is this the deferring aspect to mixes I've heard about? Sounds like it, but I'm not sure.

No real hits today and I did not feel as good as I did with SOB, nor as connected as I did with the SOB mix today either.

That's all I really have to report today. Not really happy with the combo nor my access today.

[Magnus]

Well I did a little digging and I can't find a BF molecule, but I did find P74 which was dubbed Instant Boyfriend.

We can never know what P74 is for sure but it might be worth trying out. Anyone have any input on that line of testing and/or have Thinker, Connections, SOB, and p74 who would be willing to take this for a run? Still looking for the look at me molecule although wait for it....wait......dare I throw some mx297 in this for shits and giggles?

Apparently I'll mix anything.

[KIMBA]

Welcome to the mad tester club. The fear of loss was reported by me, and with imprint. I don't know if it is a good thing, it took me provoking it. It's one of those anomalies to exemplify a products effects the community runs with, one of the main pit falls of the pheromone world. I can get fear of loss with out any product, but imprint exemplified it. If imprint didn't do this, a product designed to imprint you to the target, it wouldn't live up to it's potential, would it? Many products do have an imprint quality to it. Other products which are good for fear of loss would be NA, Cohesion, and Xist. Once they hook the target feels like they need you. That's all. Great reports by the way. My advice would be this, thinker is almost a status product and personal comfort. Think of it like as your own cohesion. It should also effect your targets in a similar manor. It would help someone get lost in the moment with you. Thinking that way, what would you want a person to get lost in the moment with you? SOB is lust, arousal and vibe. Socials may not work best with this. Food or thought.

[KIMBA]

My girlfriend told me she loves Flirt with Thinker Still but found a far more potent combo for non-seduction situations:

Thinker and Bliss.

Thinker and Bliss, as she reports, is like taking a deep breath to relax or clear your self of stress on a constant basis, a constant state of relaxation and stress relief added to the individual elements of the products. Excellent for productivity.

[Magnus]

My girlfriend told me she loves Flirt with Thinker Still but found a far more potent combo for non-seduction situations:

Thinker and Bliss.

Thinker and Bliss, as she reports, is like taking a deep breath to relax or clear your self of stress on a constant basis, a constant state of relaxation and stress relief added to the individual elements of the products. Excellent for productivity.

Funny you should mention this today Kimba, its what I am wearing today for the first time. I been laying off the Thinker for a couple days and I have to say that my focus was better on it than off of it even if I did get tired shortly after applying it. The tiredness wears off after an hour or so. Fair warning to all though.......seems to remove filter between brain and mouth. Said anything that come to mind today no matter what it was. lol

It is carefree and laid back although I can totally see myself getting shit done with this combo. No where near as talkative without connections though. Might add connections tomorrow and see what the three are like together. The two together seem to be a breath of mental fresh air.

Everyone around me was even more relaxed and non stressed than I was and they seemed happy. Sadly, I do not get happy from Bliss. And I do mean sadly. I can see where happiness would really shine with the Bliss self effects I do feel.

[XSteveO]

Oh God that filter is so important for me. Even with typing

[Magnus]

So a couple things I want to report.

Later that night after mixing thinker and bliss I got on some dating sites and started talking crap with women. Took more chances, talked more shit, and got more responses than I ever have before. I at least successfully opened several women late at night when the pickings are slim in my area. lol

Now I couldn't keep them for some reason or another but it felt good just to make a good opening. I felt charged....like nothing I could do would turn out wrong all night long.

The next day when I woke up, had to travel some distance to take some supplies to a friend of mine at a hospital so I had decent interaction opportunities with a fairly wide range of people. I noticed myself move, talk, and act with a confidence I can't attribute to myself normally so to say this feeling...this day was atypical would be an understatement.

The surprising thing that happened is that virtually everything I said was taken in a sexual manner and everyone was generally ok with that. I feel sure I could have closed virtually any woman I wanted too no matter what her age or status was. The aura and feeling I had was......transcendent in nature, I felt as a god must feel when walking among men.

Now phermonally, here is what went on. That night I took a shower and did not shower the next day so my natural phermone signature mixed with the single spray of thinker I used the next day. Normally thinker does nothing for me solo bu then I've never allowed my natural mones to come out for over 12 hours before applying it so I think some synergistic effect was going on here that I can't figure out. Anyway it was a good day.

Went a couple days with no mones and felt stupid and slow. Still sick with this 1-2 sinus cold going around so that might be why I feel slow and stupid. lol

Tried a monster combo today and noticed no real effects from it. In fact now that I think back, I can't even remember what I sprayed other than thinker, bliss, and p83. I know there was something else I just can't remember what. lol All I know is I felt slow and tired all evening. Waking up past couple hours and I feel decent. Stomach is upset and head is swimmy. I'm sure its the sinus thing.