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This should probably go in my journal but it is specifically about solo usage of the thinker and this is its thread so here goes.
After thoroughly cleaning off yesterday's failed attempt at using mones for fun I applied two sprays of the Thinker. One on the left side of my neck, the other on the right side of my neck.
The Thinker is the only pheromone mix I used today so I should have gotten a clear impact from the mix.
Honestly, this is what I noticed. I seemed to be in my own little bubble while interacting with other people and I felt distanced from others. This distance only bother me a little bit while I was interacting with others but looking back, it bothers me more now than it did then.
I and others around me seemed like they were in their own little worlds although they did seem to interact well when interaction occurred, which was less than usual. Everyone did seem at peace though.
My mone girl who seems to respond positively toward me no matter what attraction mix I am wearing was acting weird again today. Distant in some ways, although today the distance was on my end as well.
I did notice that I had little hesitation in saying what I was thinking which makes me think there may be something in this mix that removes the filter from between one's brain and one's mouth. Some of what I said was aggressive and demanding and their seemed to be no negative reaction from any of it. Actually no one seemed to care as they did not seem interested in doing anything but what they were doing.
In some ways it seems like this mix removes some of the politeness that we carry with us for general social interaction, in that you are entirely comfortable being who you are and don't give a damn who cares one way or another.
I'm not sure I really like this mix because it seems to break the connection I feel with those I know I love and care about. I dislike the lack of caring and feeling that I had while under the influence of this mix. Its like its more intellectual and less feeling in nature. My feelings were certainly muted today for some reason and the thing I know that was different was that I was wearing this mix.
I never tried to do anything I didn't really want to do except I did come home earlier than usual and take a nap. Lately though that has been my habit in the evening so maybe it was just habit. I do notice that I don't feel the anxiety that I normally feel while being alone although 14 hours after application if I think about being alone I can feel that anxiety in the back of my head pounding on what is like a wall it can't get through. I am getting a little anxious just thinking about it though.
In some ways, the peace I am feeling reminds me of Bliss, but with a muted some of the IDGF aspect. With Thinker, your don't seem to be as aware of others issues because you seem to be wrapped up in your own even if they are discussing them with you. It just does not seem to affect you. A little bit of the sensation of looking down at something small and annoying if they do happen to be annoying you.
Like I said, my ability to feel seems like it is limited compared to any other day.
I'll try testing this again tomorrow solo and see if the results are the same.
Off hand with no data to prove my theories I'd say this mix could be helped by an equal amount of connections and maybe cohesion or A1
On second thought, I think I'm going to try this with connections tomorrow.Comment
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I have a bottle on it's way over to me now but so far, based off of what I'm seeing here, this is not so much a means to encourage the introvert to come out of their shell, it's more designed to enhance the introspective nature when it comes to performing tasks that require focused mental energies. Now, I can also surmise that if one is an extrovert who is always on the go, this mix could be useful to help open up their ability to perceive things around them more clearly. As someone who still struggles a bit with A.D.D. I'm interested to see what this can do about driving focus instead of my struggling to maintain it, particularly when I need to remain focused.Comment
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Thinker - Day 2
Today was a really interesting day. Just could not solo The Thinker today, nope could not make myself do it. I dreamed about this last night and this morning I made up my mind that I was gonna mix this odd mix with something I know works. I hit the jackpot and had an experience that was no less than amazing.
2 sprays thinker, 1 to each side of my neck. 2 Sprays Connections - front of my neck.
The two previous times I used thinker I always felt a little off after spraying it. Like something was not right. The connections solved that problem. It balances The Thinker out on me perfectly.
Not only did it give me the distance that I observed yesterday, there was this weird mystical duality of feeling separated and connected at the same time. I easily interacted with everyone I was around. Conversation was easy and ability to think and process was superb.
Connections seem to do its job even better than usual at generating talk and group consensus and I was able to influence that consensus just by suggesting things I knew would appeal to the majority.
There was an underlying tension in the air today, more so than what I generally experience with connections so I'm going to attribute that to the thinker or the combination of mones in the mixes. Something in the two causes a slight friction that leads to conversation that leads to disagreement and then leads to consensus. Follow me?
My mone girl was especially clingy today and acting a little odd. Her cousin is in the hospital so I attributed her behavior to that until later this evening when the hit from hell came. I've never experienced this in my life and I know the mones had something to do with it. I can feel it in my bones. Now granted, i want to disclose I'm a little crazy like Dbot was in that I believe in the paranormal in that I believe its just non-understood science.
Me and the mone girl were picking around and she looked at me hard and the strangest thing happened. I heard her tell me to shut up in my head, right between my ears. I could feel my eyes widen and I looked at her and asked her.....did you just think about telling me to shut up? She got this weird look on her face and said yea but I was only thinking it.....I told her I heard her in my head and she like freaked out and told me to shut up and not mention it again.
When we got home she cornered me and told me to never mention what happened because everyone already had too much trouble to be worrying about her. I told her I wasn't going to tell anyone that they would just think we were crazy anyway.
This happened folks. Amazing and as unbelievable as it sounds. Was it caused by the mones? I don't know but I feel like it was. Perfect mix for two people that could be related we act so much alike. lol
Anyone ever experience anything like this on The Thinker or with any combination?
You guys said you wanted reports...well its a crazy one, but its a report.
I can deal with the thinker as long as its mixed with a good social to bring people to me cause by itself I would never be able to open someone.
I was about to go to bed when something occurred to me. Seems like Thinker was pushing people into being introspective and Connections was pulling them into being extroverted like a yoyo. From what I've read in my limited experience with PUA, this push pull effect can create feelings of lust, desire, crush, and love in a target that has even the smallest amount of attraction toward you. Could I have just by accident discovered a way to make the Thinker a true attraction mix for the introverted and keep the women interested because of that push pull effect that keeps occurring? If so that would be amazing and its actually something I understand how it works and with the mones doing it on automatic, all you have to do is play your part and let the mones guide you rather than the other way around. Really want to hear the thoughts of the more experienced on this concept and if some PUA's can duplicate my concept then maybe we ought to look at making a mix that combines the best of the two and smooths over the rough edges while enhancing the push and pull effects that both cause. Thinking that some p83 might help here but I'm scared to add something else until I get a real handle on this. This line of thinking intrigues me but I need others without the vested interest in validation of the idea.
I think someone said there was more to this mix than what could initially be seen and if what I think above is true then they are more right than they knew. Not a holy grail product, but it could be a very effective tool for PUA and for the introvert to attract and keep a particular type of women who is easily influenced by this type of behavior. I know a few women who fall for guys over and over that alternatively love then and then push them away...they seem to thrive on it and they fall deeper and deeper for these guys.
Interesting concept no?
Another thing I have been noticing. After eating with this mone on I get very sleepy within an hour or two. If I can fight the sleepiness off then I wake up again but there are really strong sleepiness vibes happening in this particular circumstance with this mone.
Later, I have to sleep. Gotta take my God daughter to the doctor in the morning.Last edited by Magnus; 02-20-2014, 01:01 AM.Comment
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My gf is an introvert and is testing this. I have a handle on what it does and where it should shine. I also get her reports to me.Comment
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I'm starting to see more and more with The Thinker. I mixed it with connections again today just because I liked it so much yesterday. Nothing extraordinary today like I experienced yesterday but some interesting effects nonetheless.
2 sprays of thinker and 2 sprays of connections same as yesterday.
I was really tired this morning. Had to get up early to take a friend and her daughter to the doctor and I stayed up fairly late last night.
Really tired all morning although i was able to focus and stay away and do stuff at a reasonable performance level even though all I wanted to do is go to sleep.
Mind was fairly clear to to be as sleepy as I was.
I again notice that I'm not getting as much shit testing and its easier to communicate with and even influence people in small ways. Like someone else said. It seems like people were working harder than normal to reach consensus and bitching less about the process. There was some tension there but all in all it was at an acceptable level and could have even been natural.
The one person that is usually affected by my mixes and the one whom I had that extraordinary event happen with yesterday tried to glue herself to me today as well.
I was complemented today by someone who said he was glad to know me. This is someone who usually gives me more shit tests than friendly conversation even though he likes me just fine. This mix makes him less shit-testy and more friendly, at least toward me. Anything that tried his patience seem to earn his ire rather quickly.
His driving was aggressive and spot on. As fast as he was going it was amazing how in control he was and hour focused he was. I was impressed. I would not have risked driving that fast, I know my reaction speed is not that fast.
I noticed I would brazenly look at women I found attractive and there was no feelings of inferiority or not being good enough for these women in my mind while the interaction was going on. It's like this mix was able to drive that out of my mind and allow me to act myself but in a more extroverted type manner while maintaining my quiet and shy nature.
Things don't bother me much under this mix although I am keenly aware of things I could have been doing rather than spending the day in doctor's offices and finally ending up taking a little girl to the hospital. No, I'm not bitching about having to take a sick girl to the hospital but I had things that I needed to do today and they didn't get done. Rather than feel hopeless and defeated along with being worried about the child, I just thought that there was always tomorrow and it would get done then.
Am still feeling the effects of this combo 12 hours after application. I feel the urge to communicate, even if the communication is only through a forum. This is the first mix I actually feel like I have contributed to the understanding of in which there is not a decent sized body of reports on...at least that I have read...Have not checked pherotruth.
I think I am beginning to understand how thinker can work in a sexual situation as well. I think that when having sex while wearing the thinker, you would be so utterly focused on your partner that they could not help but feel they were the only person in the world to you, and consequently you would be the only person to them as well. Combined with a crush mix, and an attraction mix, the three should certainly be a night to remember and leave the two highly attracted if not in a mild state of first love state.
That is about all I can think of at the moment. I'm still sleepy as hell and I have to get up early in the morning to take the mother of the sick child a medical device she left at home by accident.
Magnus signing out.Comment
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Hmm with a crush and attraction mix + the thinker, they would probably be so focused on thinking about you since the thinker would make them focus on the crush and attraction that they have towards you lolz (in theory anyways). It's definitely something worth testing sometime! ;DComment
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^ Would love to know the results of that. Besides, I've always wanted to see some crush reports as I see Cohesion always taking the spotlights. Might grab me a Thinker and Crush with XIST and Exotica for my next order, but we'll see
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Its certainly worth working on. Although at the moment I believe this will work only if the person already has a latent attraction to you to begin with. It may be oxymornic to say that, but at the moment that I has been my experience.
Something that sparks a latent attraction added to this would make the concept a holy grail product.
You know, it is not easy for me to pick up women, even with the products. I'd love to discover the holy grail product just to find and attract that one special one. I'm not out to manipulate or screw every women in the world, just find one I want to be with and who whether it be chemical or intellectual...wants to be with me.
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Another report on Thinker
2 Sprays of Thinker & 2 Sprays of Cohesion
Decided to mix it up today to see what if anything would happen. Interesting results.
First within seconds I felt an energy rush and a surge of happiness quite similar to Instant Shine on the surface, but without any of the depth of what IS provides.
Not sure what is in these mixes that combined to create that feeling of happiness.
Was on the road today with a couple women for several hours including one who was during her monthly cycle. She has been bitchy all week but today she was very pleasant and personable and easy going.
Conversation was easy and everything seemed funnier than usual as well as having a dirty side to it in my mind. I also sensed an underlying sexual urge rising up in me, not sure it was in anyone else but she did go out to meet with a guy who is interested in her tonight when she should have just came home and went to sleep. lol
Another woman seems very mild and personable today and wanted to be close to me while in public but in private she is comfortable to be apart and doing her own thing although she did watch a movie with me tonight. We are friends so I did not expect anything or want anything more.
I do not feel the push pull with thinker and cohesion like I did with thinker and connections. Not quite sure what to think of this combo at the moment and what these results mean for my love mix mentioned above.
At the moment the theory of the mix would be as follows:
2 Thinker
2 Connections
2 Xist
2 Taboo or Evolve
Open to adding a dab of pure A1 rather than connections to bomb the target with crush feelings.
Sounds like a lot of product but then were trying to make a combo here that does it all.
Allows you to be your introverted self and sit back nonchalantly and wait on a good target.
Walk up to her and start making small talk.
Be open enough to keep talking while the combo does its work.
Be distant enough if you get a crash and burn response.
Develop a deep connection while talking without appearing desparate.
Push feelings of connection as well as rejection in yoyo like manner leading to emotional attachment and fulfillment that PUA claims is keep to getting and keeping a woman on edge and hooked.
Along with a well rounded sociosexual that round out social signature while getting more sexual as time goes by.
Along with maybe A1 for an added depth of crushyness...
I'm not going to lie, this is a complex concept with a lot of mones in it and something is probably wrong with it from a chemical signature perspective. But in theory, this should be a growing of love over a night mix similar but taking longer than the love at first sight concept.
Am I on the right path here or do I need to go back to the drawing board?
Also in addition to all of this I suspect there is something in thinker that is either masking the depressive / sedative effects of A1 or is actually counteracting it altogether because I feel none of the depression I have felt nearly every time after wearing cohesion by itself or in the ACE combo or CE or AC combos.
Just keeping the blues away while you use A1 would be of great benefit if the effect can be duplicated on others who suffer from depressive effects while using A1. Hopefully it does not detract from the effects of A1 on targets.Comment
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To me and my lady, thinker has a keep ability to make the user comfortable in being an introvert, and enhance some positive qualities of introversion. But don't get this confused, extroverts get laid far more, the vast majority of women are locked into genetic gender roles and need the man to escalate. My gf has had great success and reactions with flirt. I am a non reactive guy and if I am busy or distracted I am not lovey nor am I kissy. I escalate when I want too, and get what I want when I wanted too. She has tested every female arousal product on me she had to no success in frying my PUA mindset. But, with thinker and flirt, I got far more passionate. I think this is worth a look at for men too, add in evolve and it may be a winner.Comment
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I'm trying Thinker with Taboo today and so far I'm not seeing any real results above and beyond what I would get with Thinker by itself. Sad really.
I take that back maybe. The female I was with yesterday who is in the middle of her cycle was rather pleasant today and easy to get to agree with stuff so maybe there is a compliance thing going on I can't see very well.
Let me state I am not familiar with Taboo and its effects solo, so me trying to gauge its effects with thinker is akin to asking a blind man to describe the color blue.
Thinker always makes me sleepy for some reason but it does make me comfortable in my own introverted skin.
On the other hand, I've been using this juice for a week now, maybe I'm becoming acclimated to it and its effects. Might need to switch off for a while and let it get out of my system.
I agree with the passionate part as well. It does seem to have an attention getting component to it and I suspect that this would increase with something like Vibe. Not sure about flirt though. Vibe and Flirt are two of the main line products I still need to get, and after what I read about Vibe last night I will get getting that one soon.Comment
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Great posts everybody! I'll be back on the forums soon. I've had quite a bit of life happening lately and haven't had the time to post much. Try thinker with either Ascend or Flirt. And to Magnus, give yourself a break and come back to it. It helps.Comment
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2-25-2014
Been sick for a few days and busy with my goddaughter so I have not been able to do much testing. today I felt well enough to throw together a combo and see what happened.
Everything I have been wearing lately has had a base of The Thinker and today was no exception. 2 Spays Thinker, 2 Sprays Connections, 2 Sprays XIST. Seemed like a good connections mix that would keep me secure in my introvertedness while pushing me to communicate at the same time.
Something was off in this combo and the only thing I can think of considering that Thinker and Connections was amazing is that something in XIST threw it off balance. I assumed that because XIST opens up different channels of communication that connections and xist would pair well with thinker. I'm not sure they did or if they did then it certainly showed me more than I wanted to see.
I had my first truth serum hit from connections today and I really didn't want it. My goddaughter told me that this other man who used to be in her life would always be more special to her than I was and it hurt. My mood was fucked for an hour or so and all these negative thoughts I normally have started running around in my head with glee. I was able to pull myself out of it though after about an hour and thinking back it only mildly bothers me at this point and time. Thinking connections and bliss might be a good combo if your gonna hear something you don't want to hear. lol
My main target and I did not have much time together today although she seemed very aware of me when I was around. I seemed to be having trouble talking to her and even made a very clumsy attempt to tell her I was sorry she had to leave so soon and she was like "why" aren't you all leaving. I said yea but still...and that's all I could say.
So much more I wanted to say because I really like her but it was not the time or place and yet my emotions were running high today and I felt very connected and drawn to her, did not want to leave from being around her but I won't step in between her and her boyfriend...
Had to take another friend's daughter to the hospital tonight because of a bad sodium level. She has diabetes insipitus or something like that.
Had an interesting hit at Wendys where we stopped to eat tonight. Couple of black chicks were acting a little uncomfortable around me and yet you could tell they were checking me out in some fashion or another. The cashier was so confused she could not even ring up my order correctly. It was funny in a way but you could tell she was flustered. She even mentioned her allergies were acting up so I know she was getting a snoot full. lol
All evening I've felt this romantic vibe but not been able to close it with anyone else. Not even sure anyone else that is exposed to my cloud is feeling what I am feeling but I can say that this mix stirred me to hell up and primed me for making a plunge into relationship. I had feelings of longing and depression that a connection had not been made. If this happens on the other end then we got a winner.
I will say that I believe this would only work if there is a surface attraction already. This is not going to affect a woman unless she already has a reason to be attracted to you. But if she does this should cause a major deepening of feelings really quick. Your probably going to end up in bed with them if you are alone for any length of time with them seeking comfort and physical connection.It will probably be a slow passionate type of love, not the wild fucking sexual lust type. There will be lust there, but this is support me, confirmation that your mine type of love, damn I'm gonna die if I don't get in your arms type of emotional drama love.
Notice the words I am using...I'm still affected by this mix 10 hours later. Still in this mood. Emotional, broody, intense, desiring of physical connection.
Maybe I was right all along. Maybe this is the basis for a falling in love mix and just needs a sexual to tip the balance on the number of women this would effect. I have no doubt that this would work wonders with someone you were already in a relationship with if it effects them like you. Its akin to first love feeling and I sense that reset thing that is talked about in that it might just take you back to the beginning of a relationship where the flutterflies were banging around in your or her stomach.
All this is just insight, thoughts, and ramblings as this needs to be tested and I'm not in a relationship now.
I guess my next step with this is to add some Taboo or Evolve and see where it goes. But I need to be in the right environment before I pull this trigger because its a lot of mone and I want a decent amount of targets available to asses the effects with. I'll end up having to approach every available female in the avenue to see if this will work like I think it will.
My earlier thoughts on the love mix with Thinker as the base note seems to ring true here, I just did not expect it to have such an intense effect on me. Again I say at the moment this is something I would wear after I had already closed a girl and maybe been out on a couple of dates with her.
I'd like to round this out where I could start out with this mix, open, date, and close the deal with a girl using a rounded mix with the end result being her imprinted on me and in love. Pre selection of females I think would be essential to this because I still think this is not going to work on all females for reasons other than epigenetics. I think personality will play a part here. I think the more insecure a girl is, the harder this is going to hit her if she starts feeling attracted to you in even the slightest way.
I think this mix will work its way into your insecurities and root around imprinting the good experiences a target has with you and connect that with romantic feelings and even feelings of love.
Questions, comments, thoughts?
I think I'm on to something here that I am not sure I really know how to deploy as of yet. I know what I want to do, know what I want in the end, and I almost have a nice fuel mix for the car, but I'm not sure I know how to drive it yet...
After reading some of Kimba's thoughts on SOB, I'm wondering if SOB might be of some use.
I also wonder if ramping everything down to one spray might have a different effect than the two sprays I started out with.
I generally use 2 sprays of everything...Comment
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Nice report! It would be interesting to find out the differences on new girls you met vs ones that already know you as you mentioned! In terms of sexual mone, yeah SOB sounds good for that mix (but you should use 1 spray or even half
), though I tend to prefer Evolve; dat DHEAS and Rone seem interesting with the thinker.
Just my thoughts
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I really wish i had some sob to mix with. Evole did pretty well thoughComment
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I decided to skip bathing today and see what the day after effects of that mass of mones I wore yesterday was. Emotions were ramped down a little thought still higher than usual. Comfort seemed to be ramped up a lot making me thing an OD was happening. Physical distance was decreased. Natural rone signature should have gone up after not bathing for 24 hours, I sure did stink in all the right places for sure although nothing was said about it from anyone I was around.
Today went smooth. Thinking about cutting back to one spay of each and adding a spray of sob to see what happens.
If I had to sum today up in one word, it was cuddle fest. Not sexual, just cuddle.Comment
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This really is a fascinating mix. The first time I wore it was two sprays and I put it on in the car just before my commute. Things definitely seemed more sharp and my awareness was greatly increased. throughout the work day, things moved along quite nicely, I was able to stay fairly focused and even if I felt like I was losing my train of thought mid discussion, I was able to maintain a coherent flow of communication. Now, I used to be a major introvert. Only within the last few years have I become more extroverted. This mix definitely brings back out my introverted side which is fine if I am in a situation where that is needed. But for social situations, I would not use this mix. Still, very interesting to use.Comment
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GT, try mixing it with something that pushes you and people around you to be extroverted..........then watch how this effects people around you. This push pull effect is one of the triggers that causes a percentage of women to develop interest and feelings for a man....
That is one of the most interesting effects of this juice in my opinion, its ability to help provide the emotional roller coaster that some women seem to need, that drama that provides something essential in their minds to push them toward attraction.
Your signature pushes out standoffishness and come to me at the same time with the right combo. That creates the stress that some PUA's swear by in breaking down a woman's resistance to seduction.
I know I'm flirting with the dark side here, but hey, some women seem to need this to be happy.Comment
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