knowledgeispower Also I've found some of the traditional wisdom such as using witch hazel or hunter's soap (or scent killer or whateveritis) some times just doesn't work for me. I do find those facial scrub creams work well. They usually have something abrasive in them that I'm guessing is the key ingredient.
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Xcc try getting cleansing products that contains exfoliating scrub in it.. it works for me all the time.. and if the mones still stick and hard to get rid of, maybe you can take a break for a day or two first? sometimes residues of mones will fuck up the new application of mones, thus affecting the results, which means wasting your money and time. hope this helpsGive more, Expect Less
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Anyone hear of Nok Out spray before? https://www.nokout.com/home.php
We use it at work to get rid of the pheromones rats emit. Now this is powerful stuff and not 100% sure if its safe on skin, but it might be a nice way to quickly destroy the mones? I read on another forum someone swore by using this stuff sold to hunters (not Nok Out, another brand) that was designed to destroy all pheromones + scents on contact.PXS Product Content Spreadsheet: https://goo.gl/q7KVX1
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knowledgeispower Remarkable! I've used hunter soaps and they're hit and miss as far as I'm concerned. Nok Out sound like potent stuff. Are there any warnings on the bottles you use?
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Originally posted by Xcc View Postknowledgeispower Remarkable! I've used hunter soaps and they're hit and miss as far as I'm concerned. Nok Out sound like potent stuff. Are there any warnings on the bottles you use?
It says "Skin Contact: Does NOT cause skin irritation and the product is NOT a skin sensitizer. In case of contact, ?ush skin with plenty of water."
So...probably not the best thing to apply to our skin =/ Although they claim its environmentally safe and perfectly safe if animals get in contact with it (and its not a carcinogen) it may not be well-studied how long-term use on skin is.PXS Product Content Spreadsheet: https://goo.gl/q7KVX1
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knowledgeispower I did visit the site. It's an oxidizer. Once I got 10% H2O2 on my skin. I never felt or saw the chemical burn until about an hour later.
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Originally posted by Xcc View Postknowledgeispower I did visit the site. It's an oxidizer. Once I got 10% H2O2 on my skin. I never felt or saw the chemical burn until about an hour later.PXS Product Content Spreadsheet: https://goo.gl/q7KVX1
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knowledgeispower That's a thought. Now oxidizers might bleach things like a color safe bleach would like OxyClean. I have no mone build up on my clothes and I usually wash with OxyClean or an oxygen bleach.
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Ummmm I feel like this may be a missing piece of the mone puzzle for me..... I usually just scrub my app points with soap, and then a loefa, during the shower. I was under the impression that was enough. My mind is blown now, perhaps I haven't been completely clearing off old mones for the last 2 years of using pheros!!!!
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Originally posted by eternitys_child View PostUmmmm I feel like this may be a missing piece of the mone puzzle for me..... I usually just scrub my app points with soap, and then a loefa, during the shower. I was under the impression that was enough. My mind is blown now, perhaps I haven't been completely clearing off old mones for the last 2 years of using pheros!!!!PXS Product Content Spreadsheet: https://goo.gl/q7KVX1
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For me, it varies. Sometimes soap works well. Other times I need witch hazel and/or 3% H2O2. Hunter's soap sometimes works. Other times only a facial scrub will.
eternitys_child knowledgeispower Lucky for you all! I have been having to get creative... I almost envy you.
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Xcc how can you tell, exactly, that it is still on you? Do you smell the mones on your app points? Do you feel the texture of oil /alcohol residue on your app points? Do you have confirmed pheromone based hits/negative hits during times when you are supposedly "naked " from pheromones?
I'm really curious, as this topic has thrown me for a loop. And it's not just one person who mentioned it, some other respected board members also mention it so maybe there's more to it than I thought.
But if it really were that big of an issue, you would think it would be mentioned in the pheromone stores. I'm sure phero companies would even have their own brand of optimally effective phero scrub, seeing this as a profitable product. So actually I'm now more confused than before I wrote this post, lol.
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For what its worth, and really I am NOT discounting people's experiences because I cannot say if they are really building up or not, but from a scientific perspective I have to really say it is probably placebo and certain experiences with ghosting (possibly the "ghosting" had to do with an improper situation to use the mones). I've had many experiences where I thought I was ghosted but once I was in a different social situation the mones did their magic. I still think there is no scientific evidence to convince me that mones can build up. Heck we are always so worried about lasting (as in they diffuse so fast we are constantly worried about reapplying) I have a hard time believing they are that sticky (even eNONE). After all, we sweat eNONE like crazy, why are we not all walking balls of mones? It makes no sense to me really for mones to build up on skin. Maybe on clothing, that I can believe.PXS Product Content Spreadsheet: https://goo.gl/q7KVX1
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Very understandable questions.
"Do you smell the mones on your app points?"
Yes.
"Do you feel the texture of oil /alcohol residue on your app points?"
No.
"Do you have confirmed pheromone based hits/negative hits during times when you are supposedly "naked " from pheromones?"
I don't know. I can smell them on the app points, so I keep scrubbing.
"But if it really were that big of an issue, you would think it would be mentioned in the pheromone stores. I'm sure phero companies would even have their own brand of optimally effective phero scrub, seeing this as a profitable product. So actually I'm now more confused than before I wrote this post, lol."
You'd think. I can only tell you that if I still smell the mones, I keep scrubbing.
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knowledgeispower Some people say that it builds up on the body hair. But I don't know. I just know that if I can smell the mones, I scrub.
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Originally posted by Xcc View Postknowledgeispower Some people say that it builds up on the body hair. But I don't know. I just know that if I can smell the mones, I scrub.PXS Product Content Spreadsheet: https://goo.gl/q7KVX1
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knowledgeispower I feel very humbled I can surprise someone as experienced as you. It also could be something about my skin or hair that makes the formulas hang around.
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i just showered, at approx 12 hours after my application time. i had 2 drops xist on my forearms to specifically test this phenomena out. i had a brief cold shower, and scrubbed my forearms less than i normally would. i dried myself off, and i could still smell a faint hint of pheromones!
so i applied more soap to my forearms, took a loofa and srubbed for about 15 seconds, and then washed off; smell is mostly gone, but there might be a hint of xist still there... eihter that or i'm just causing confirmation bias because i keep anxiously checking the smell of my arms every few minutes lol.
so my results are inconclusive, but there's a good possibility that the mones are still there, and that could cause undesirable buildup.
Maybe a few extra minutes of diligent scrubbing with the loofa is all that's required
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