Women's pheros to avoid around women.

[SecretV]

my own sexuality is a question mark (no. I don't have doubts about it. I just don't really care about the gender of the person I'm attracted to). Sticky is bi. I do have some straight female friends but not to that level of trust. Then again. Same applies to lesbian and bi women.

[Isis]

Nothing at all to do with gender roles in the community as in males having status while women are not holding as much status..... It really isn't. I just don't think the female psychology and/or biology is designed for the sisterhood type of bonding.

I disagree. If women were not socially conditioned to be valued for their appearance cattiness between women would decrease exponentially. If you read the accounts of the women who posted in this thread, they're deterred from forming friendships due to catty behavior between women. I'm a woman, I know where this behavior stems from.

Also, by biology and psychology? Citations? Women by nature are much more social than men...so psychologically women should be the ones who are able to forge stronger communal bonds with one another.

[Ildergreier]

This.

[eternitys_child]

I disagree. If women were not socially conditioned to be valued for their appearance cattiness between women would decrease exponentially. If you read the accounts of the women who posted in this thread, they're deterred from forming friendships due to catty behavior between women. I'm a woman, I know where this behavior stems from.

Also, by biology and psychology? Citations? Women by nature are much more social than men...so psychologically women should be the ones who are able to forge stronger communal bonds with one another.

I was just stating my experience watching the behavior of women and men in group settings. I don't have citations since it was an opinion based on anecdotal evidence, and will defer to actual psychological and behavioral science that could prove me right or wrong.

With that being said, I think we need to take into account the social conditioning you mention, because that's just the reality of society. Whether it be wrong or right is a different story. But yes, in my experience, the very same cattiness you and the other women on this thread have mentioned is precisely the reason where I draw my archetypal viewpoint from.

[Isis]

With that being said, I think we need to take into account the social conditioning you mention, because that's just the reality of society. Whether it be wrong or right is a different story. But yes, in my experience, the very same cattiness you and the other women on this thread have mentioned is precisely the reason where I draw my archetypal viewpoint from.

If you think this is where the cattiness stems from, then yes it absolutely does have to do with, " gender roles in the community as in males having status while women are not holding as much status".

If women were commonly found in positions of power and were praised and coveted for those reasons, our sense value wouldn't lie so heavily on appearance. Women's self critical inner voice wouldn't tear another woman's appearance down because she would value herself in other ways.

And in terms of conniving, back stabbing and manipulation being the reason for the difficulty in finding a sisterhood; this absolutely does have to do with women "not holding as much status". These tactics have been used historically by women to achieve success under the stigma of being the "weaker sex". Just take a look at women who try to be direct in the way a man would be. They are labeled ball busters or diminished for not fitting societal beauty standards.

Again, if women werent criticized for not being feminine enough and were commonly found in positions of power or in your words, "held status" equal to or more than men, catty behavior would be less prevalent

[eternitys_child]

I retract my triggering statements as it seems to have derailed the point of contributing my experience.

[Liaria]

Of the pheros I've tried, only Celebrity has made women act negatively towards me (but men loooove it on me).

I normally get along really well with women, I definitely believe in womanly bonding! It makes me sad that you guys have had predominately negative relationships with women. I think one thing that has really helped me in this is appreciating the value in the archetypal femininity. It's become a pretty dirty word in society because feeling, tenderness, and receptivity are often viewed as inferior to masculine qualities like logic, toughness, and goal-orientation. But femininity has a lot of good qualities, and a healthy person and society needs both to flourish.

To add to the intellectual discussion, I read a paper from an evolutionary psychology perspective whose premise was that each sex has their own "hierarchy" where competition ensues for sexual selection. The most brutal competition between females was observed in polyandrous species, whereas polygynous species typically had much less competition. Here's the link is anyone is curious.

[Delight]

People like people who are like them or who are like who they want to be. The way that people treat other people has a lot to do with themselves, with who they are at the core. I have a few relationships with women who are like family to me. I’ve been able to maintain these relationships for many years. People come and go, and it’s hard to meet people who have your best interest in mind. The few women I’ve met with these qualities, I held on to them. I don’t care what they look like, where they’re from or their education level. I don’t have time for negative people or for people that want to use me. I’ve learned that it’s better to be alone than to be with the wrong people.

[NuTrix]

Amen sistah!

[Isis]

I retract my triggering statements as it seems to have derailed the point of contributing my experience.

My statements definitely pertained to your previous comment and did not derail.

You sounded absolutely sure that catty behavior did not evolve from women living in a male dominated society and in fact comes from women not being "biologically" or "psychologically" capable of widely forming loyal bonds with one another. I addressed your statement. Not sure where you're getting the sense of "derailment".

[Ildergreier]

My statements definitely pertained to your previous comment and did not derail.

You sounded absolutely sure that catty behavior did not evolve from women living in a male dominated society and in fact comes from women not being "biologically" or "psychologically" capable of widely forming loyal bonds with one another. I addressed your statement. Not sure where you're getting the sense of "derailment".

He became catty. lol

[eternitys_child]

because i stated that i defer to science if they could and would prove me wrong regarding that. the point of discussion was regarding the way things are regarding sisterhood and it seems we got off from that and into something different.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1168182/Catfights-handbags-tears-toilets-When-producer-launched-women-TV-company-thought-shed-kissed-goodbye-conflict-.html

#sisterhood

TL;DR: It was an idealistic vision swiftly shattered by the nightmare reality: constant bitchiness, surging hormones, unchecked emotion, attention-seeking and fashion rivalry so fierce it tore my staff apart.

My deputy, Sarah, the general manager, first showed how much style mattered when she advertised for an office assistant and refused to hire the best-qualified girl because she could not distinguish Missoni from Marc Jacobs.

#leadership

[Isis]

The point of the original thread was to ask what pheros evoke hostility amongst women. So your contribution was continuing this "derailment"

[Isis]

Not sure why a daily mail article is posted as that's hardly a credible source for anything. This article is filled with anecdotes. Surprising since you speak of only deferring to science?

[SecretV]

back on track. I found that babe can make some women rather stand offish

[Liaria]

back on track. I found that babe can make some women rather stand offish

I had the opposite experience using it on myself. I found that women were about as dazzled by it as men were. Though, once when I was using it, I walked by a couple sitting on a bench in a park. The guy was completely ignoring his girlfriend in a DIHL stare at me. She didn't seem very dazzled then...

[Liaria]

Normally women are exceptionally friendly to me when I wear it though, I think it was just that case since her boyfriend was being an ass.

[lafemme]

In my old town all my friends were female. I tend to bond easier with women. Now the thing about that is I was madly in love with one of them and never said anything, we’re still friends to this day some 12+ years later. I recently confessed my feelings to a girl at work that I had been completely infatuated with and even though she already knew how I felt, somehow once I made it official, our friendship went straight to hell. I’m now coming to terms with the idea that I don’t want to be “just friends” with her but I think she made that decision for me and started treating more like a work colleague than friend. In my experience it is easier to be “just friends” with women when there’s no attraction or at least no emotional feelings. I’ve been attracted to several female friends but only been “in love” with a select few and being around those few who don’t share those feelings is an emotional roller coaster because you enjoy their company but it kills you that they are with someone else and not you.

There's a pattern, and he seems to love the drama. Why not "fall in love" with someone who at least thinks of you in a romantic way? Would you find it unappealing for a woman to think of you as more than "a friend?" or do you prefer a tragic experience? You're so very handsome, so what's the struggle?

[Bosrel]

There's a pattern, and he seems to love the drama. Why not "fall in love" with someone who at least thinks of you in a romantic way? Would you find it unappealing for a woman to think of you as more than "a friend?" or do you prefer a tragic experience? You're so very handsome, so what's the struggle?

I do have a pattern for falling for let’s just call them “unattainable” women for lack of a better way of describing them(one of the them is a lesbian). I wouldn’t say I chose to fall for any of them or actively seek out “unattainable” women, it just happened that way. I’d much rather fall for someone who does indeed like me back, that would save so much time and heartache. I’m not adverse to women seeing me as more than a friend, I quite hate the tragic experience but so far that’s all I’ve experienced. I appreciate the complement, I guess maybe it was years of an extremely low self image, self hatred, lack of confidence that has led to this point. Maybe I haven’t seen myself as worthy of love and in turn haven’t experienced it. Maybe I need to see someone about it and sort all that shit out, I dunno. I am working on myself, trying to be better and feel better about myself, more complete on my own.

[SecretV]

I still would love to hear more input on pheros that make females bite xD

[Scottie2Hottie]

Biting my tongue.

[SecretV]

if you only knew

[Ildergreier]

back on track. I found that babe can make some women rather stand offish

Babe got women and men wanting me. Even those women who aren't bi.

[SecretV]

that's interesting since it sounds like a completely different experience

[OutspokenOne]

back on track. I found that babe can make some women rather stand offish

I noticed the same as well. Most women aren’t like mean but definitely standoffish. I really wonder what a woman’s perspective is on a person that wears Babe.

I need some women friendly pheromones