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Originally posted by Bloodburn View Post
I just tested a drop of DT on my skin and it is not sticky. It's just like any dpg. Perfume notes are not separated by layers and while you describe spraying unscented on skin, it will separate in layers of contents in the mixes which just doesn't sound right.
Yes fragrances are described as having top, middle and base notes but that doesn't mean layering. It has to do with the relative volatility of the various fragrance molecules. Top notes are the most volatile and, therefore, diffuse fastest. Base notes diffuse the slowest. That doesn't mean that layering is involved. It''s not a matter of base notes separating upon application to create a separate layer on your skin on top of which middle notes are "stacked", followed by the top notes.
Sexual, status and social pheros don't have as much variance in volatility. I'n general they range in size from 200-300 g/mol, e.g., Androstenone is 272, Alpha Androstenol is 274 and Androsterone is 290. Those in the 100-200 g/mol range are considered alarm pheromones which are restricted to lower life forms, e.g., insects. That doesn't mean that some day we may find them in humans but have yet to be discovered. Anything smaller than than 100 would diffuse faster than it could be produced, not to mention that the lower the molecular weight, the more foul smelling the molecule. Anything above 300 is thought to be too heavy to diffuse but I'm not so sure about that. Oxytocin is 1007 g/mil and seems to diffuse ok.
So this technique of wiping with a damp paper towel can't remove layers that aren't there. All it would possibly do is remove a certain of molecules, which basically amounts to altering dosage. Most pheros have at least limited solubility in water. However with a damp paper towel there really isn't enough water to have an effect. When we talk about water solubility it refers to a molecule in solution.
However, your idea about it having to do with DT has some merit. I have a theory about how DT works. If I'm correct then your technique could have an effect, just not in the way you might imagine.
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Originally posted by Scottie2Hottie View Post
Agreed. DT gives sprays a slight oily feel on the skin. I've never noticed any stickiness.
Yes fragrances are described as having top, middle and base notes but that doesn't mean layering. It has to do with the relative volatility of the various fragrance molecules. Top notes are the most volatile and, therefore, diffuse fastest. Base notes diffuse the slowest. That doesn't mean that layering is involved. It''s not a matter of base notes separating upon application to create a separate layer on your skin on top of which middle notes are "stacked", followed by the top notes.
Sexual, status and social pheros don't have as much variance in volatility. I'n general they range in size from 200-300 g/mol, e.g., Androstenone is 272, Alpha Androstenol is 274 and Androsterone is 290. Those in the 100-200 g/mol range are considered alarm pheromones which are restricted to lower life forms, e.g., insects. That doesn't mean that some day we may find them in humans but have yet to be discovered. Anything smaller than than 100 would diffuse faster than it could be produced, not to mention that the lower the molecular weight, the more foul smelling the molecule. Anything above 300 is thought to be too heavy to diffuse but I'm not so sure about that. Oxytocin is 1007 g/mil and seems to diffuse ok.
So this technique of wiping with a damp paper towel can't remove layers that aren't there. All it would possibly do is remove a certain of molecules, which basically amounts to altering dosage. Most pheros have at least limited solubility in water. However with a damp paper towel there really isn't enough water to have an effect. When we talk about water solubility it refers to a molecule in solution.
However, your idea about it having to do with DT has some merit. I have a theory about how DT works. If I'm correct then your technique could have an effect, just not in the way you might imagine.Pheromone XS
Oil: evolve, xist
Spray: Xist, Evolve, cohesion, sob
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lol "The truth is out there." [cue X-Files theme]
I'll try to PM soon. I started it last night but fell asleep. I finished it up awhile ago but lost it. PMs don't have the autosave feature. If too much time passes, when you send it the message is gone.
Edit: I stand corrected. Just went to start over and I was able to restore it.....well part of it. Idk what happened the first time. Glitch?
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I also would like to add that I have dropped DT on one hand and a drop of high concentrated Iso E Super on another hand and they smell so much similar. I know SteveO said DT is not Iso E but they still smell similar.
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Originally posted by Bloodburn View PostI also would like to add that I have dropped DT on one hand and a drop of high concentrated Iso E Super on another hand and they smell so much similar. I know SteveO said DT is not Iso E but they still smell similar.Pheromone XS
Oil: evolve, xist
Spray: Xist, Evolve, cohesion, sob
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Originally posted by Primross View Post
You guys must have a sensitive nose because almost all mones smell the same to me
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Dose and location: Two sprays on wrists.
Self-effects: Smooth mood elevation, nothing too blatant. No negative effects that I could tell which is great.
Effects on others: Air of comfort and familiarity even with strangers. Chattiness and a desire to prolong interactions.
Hit #1: Asian lab tech 21-25.
Shortly after application I stopped by the clinic for a blood test. The tech mentioned in passing that my hands looked yellowish- she jokingly asked if I eat a lot of carrots (I eat tons). We exchanged smoothie recipes, briefly chit chatted about protests and traffic... basically she appeared to want to prolong the interaction by straying from topic to topic, even though more people were waiting to get tested.
Hit #2: Hispanic classmate 20
More kino than normal. At one point she joked about feeling sleepy and laid her head on my shoulder for a couple seconds. Motor mouth, asked for my opinion on random stuff. This is someone I still don't know that well, so I would definitely classify it as a hit.
So far I'm liking this mix.
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Originally posted by nephil View PostDose and location: Two sprays on wrists.
Self-effects: Smooth mood elevation, nothing too blatant. No negative effects that I could tell which is great.
Effects on others: Air of comfort and familiarity even with strangers. Chattiness and a desire to prolong interactions.
Hit #1: Asian lab tech 21-25.
Shortly after application I stopped by the clinic for a blood test. The tech mentioned in passing that my hands looked yellowish- she jokingly asked if I eat a lot of carrots (I eat tons). We exchanged smoothie recipes, briefly chit chatted about protests and traffic... basically she appeared to want to prolong the interaction by straying from topic to topic, even though more people were waiting to get tested.
Hit #2: Hispanic classmate 20
More kino than normal. At one point she joked about feeling sleepy and laid her head on my shoulder for a couple seconds. Motor mouth, asked for my opinion on random stuff. This is someone I still don't know that well, so I would definitely classify it as a hit.
So far I'm liking this mix.
Pheromone XS
Oil: evolve, xist
Spray: Xist, Evolve, cohesion, sob
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Originally posted by Muestereate View PostDPG is sticky, its molecular weight is 134.#$%
And if you want to talk about molecule weight, 134.xx is still lighter than other pheromones but you said it's the DT which I mentioned feel like dpg, that is sticky on first layer so what's your point?
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Originally posted by Bloodburn View Post
Same problem and you saw my collection I listed. I still haven't tested them thoroughly.Pheromone XS
Oil: evolve, xist
Spray: Xist, Evolve, cohesion, sob
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Originally posted by Bloodburn View Post
Good plan. I limit to only 2 per week now just to test them out thoroughly.Pheromone XS
Oil: evolve, xist
Spray: Xist, Evolve, cohesion, sob
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Originally posted by Primross View Post
That's a good plan. I have trouble storing all of mine as I keep them in my gym back in a small side pocket. So that is another reason I would like to keep my collection small
The four I bring with are imprinting, sexual, social, attraction each.
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Originally posted by Bloodburn View Post
I have this small cosmetics bag that can hold around 4 10ml spray/oil in. Any larger bottles like 30ml, I decant them in 5ml dropper or 2ml sample spray.
The four I bring with are imprinting, sexual, social, attraction each.Pheromone XS
Oil: evolve, xist
Spray: Xist, Evolve, cohesion, sob
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