Are You Open About Your Phero Usage??

[Primross]

Imo they only enhance feelings already there. But with all these social justice warriors around its only a matter of time before they twist it around comparing them as date rape colognes. Just watch a few videos on YouTube and see how they act.

[NuTrix]

I would laugh if this was unlikely, but it actually scares the shiznit out of me that one of my favorite hobbies could become contraband...

[Primross]

It's a crazy world

[Marianne]

Imo they only enhance feelings already there. But with all these social justice warriors around its only a matter of time before they twist it around comparing them as date rape colognes. Just watch a few videos on YouTube and see how they act.

It's interesting that you say this! I am someone who you would call a social justice warrior, and I don't think that pheromones are inherently problematic. The problem is that many men who use them have deeply misogynistic ways of thinking, and do not respect boundaries or understand what healthy consensual relationships look like – sexual or otherwise. This becomes really apparent if you spend time on online forums such as this one.

We who are familiar with pheromones know that pheros influence, not brainwash, and at the end of the day, they're just a tool. So yes, they absolutely can (and are) used as tools to manipulate people, but the problem has always been about who uses the tool, how, and for what purpose/with what intent.

To be honest, I think most of the stigma around synthetic mones originates from its earlier ties to PUA. I really do hate that and wish it weren't the case. :/

[Marianne]

Addendum: I think if people are worried about pheros being seen as manipulative, we need to fix the (all-too-often misogynistic) culture that currently surrounds it.

[Marianne]

But that's a whole 'nother kettle of fish, lol...

[NuTrix]

who uses the tool, how, and for what purpose/with what intent
And this is why I prefer to be a pixie of pleasantries and have promised to only use my phero powers for good w/a sprinkle of naughtieness

[justintime469]

I voted YES I am open, but I have to explain. I say I use Cologne is what I call it. I have to big of a collection to hide when friends or family come over and say I just like different colognes and like to experiment. I have actually gave a few to friends that I have made myself as I like them to test them out because they know nothing about them so I get good feedback.

[Primross]

It's interesting that you say this! I am someone who you would call a social justice warrior, and I don't think that pheromones are inherently problematic. The problem is that many men who use them have deeply misogynistic ways of thinking, and do not respect boundaries or understand what healthy consensual relationships look like – sexual or otherwise. This becomes really apparent if you spend time on online forums such as this one.

We who are familiar with pheromones know that pheros influence, not brainwash, and at the end of the day, they're just a tool. So yes, they absolutely can (and are) used as tools to manipulate people, but the problem has always been about who uses the tool, how, and for what purpose/with what intent.

To be honest, I think most of the stigma around synthetic mones originates from its earlier ties to PUA. I really do hate that and wish it weren't the case. :/

I'm not addressing all SJW but I'm looking at the crazy women that go around saying all men are rapists ect

[NuTrix]

Hehe, testing my "it depends" stance.
Going to introduce my current SO to them when my next order arrives in the hopes of opening the opportunity to use this awesome tool belt...will be presenting a few men's blends as a testing opportunity, if he's interested.
Will take the time to explain what they are and are purported to do and see if he wants to dip his toes in the pool...if he's interested, great! If not, then I guess it's back to an unambiguous collection of interesting fragrances for me
Should have an answer by next weekend
I honestly can't decide if I believe he'll just laugh at me and poo-poo them or take me up on it. I think his curiosity will at least get him to take one for a spin.

[Vicki Lee]

It's interesting that you say this! I am someone who you would call a social justice warrior, and I don't think that pheromones are inherently problematic. The problem is that many men who use them have deeply misogynistic ways of thinking, and do not respect boundaries or understand what healthy consensual relationships look like – sexual or otherwise. This becomes really apparent if you spend time on online forums such as this one.

We who are familiar with pheromones know that pheros influence, not brainwash, and at the end of the day, they're just a tool. So yes, they absolutely can (and are) used as tools to manipulate people, but the problem has always been about who uses the tool, how, and for what purpose/with what intent.

To be honest, I think most of the stigma around synthetic mones originates from its earlier ties to PUA. I really do hate that and wish it weren't the case. :/

You hit the nail right on the motherfuckin head.... SJW is a term used by others to describe usually someone like us - usually marginalized persons (LGBT, PoC "people of color", Women, etc.) - anyone who isn't a white Heterosexual male.... Who actually have to fight for a place in this world.

Tell me how many bills/acts whatever you want to call them have been placed to help convict Rapists, Pedophiles, Pimps, Sex Traffickers, etc.... Now look at how many laws there are on controlling a womans vagina with "prostitution", abortion, birth control... When the government starts making laws saying men jerking off and ejaculating into their socks at night is murder, then we can talk.

I'm not addressing all SJW but I'm looking at the crazy women that go around saying all men are rapists ect

So.... You're only addressing half of them?... Three Quarters or...??? Hmmm, maybe you should look around your surroundings and figure out logically why women say that... Look at your verbage. Hell, you didn'y know one of your most beloved members here was a little predator... But.... I digress.....

[Isis]

Lol!! This Oprah gif

[Muestereate]

It's good that you have become aware of and understand abuse better. Soon you should look at how anger can devour the soul and even turn the body and mind against itself also.

[NuTrix]

Whoa, hang on a minute. I'm a bisexual woman and I don't say/think all men are rapists. I believe to say all men are is a dishonest statement if made by anyone though. I can see Prim's distinction.

[Muestereate]

There is the fear aspect that you all are covering well. Another aspect is value. The fewer people know about ANY tool, the more valuable that tool is. Hisory takes new developments in a predictable course. The unexplained is first superstition, then when very few know truth it is labeled occult or secret, then the secret gets out and it becomes monetized. From there we have the steps we are more familiar with like, Early Adopters and then the majorities and finally, the item becomes a commodity.

What this picture doesn't show is value. When things are a secret, the select few if they desire can turn tools into a lot of money. Most of us weren't making money with pheros but today, it seems we, both sexes are cashing in on them. Once everybody has them, we will no longer have an edge whether it be at work, in the streets or in the clubs. Value goes down with secrecy. So along with relationships, social justice concerns, another aspect to consider is value as it relates to secrecy and expand on how we monetize it like the innovators we are.

[pingu]

Muestereate when do you think pheromone products are going to become mainstream?

[Muestereate]

Wait until I polish my obsidian mirrors

[NuTrix]

What this picture doesn't show is value. When things are a secret, the select few if they desire can turn tools into a lot of money. Most of us weren't making money with pheros but today, it seems we, both sexes are cashing in on them. Once everybody has them, we will no longer have an edge whether it be at work, in the streets or in the clubs. Value goes down with secrecy.

My testing ground for pheromones has been in the work environment as much as at play, and you've got it.
Reading the most base uses of pheromones for pick up only (which I have also, so I don't discount myself from that line up) is truly missing their overall potential. For those of us that recognize their phenomenal abulity to "make friends and influence people" in a world where our lives are still very much influenced by not only our own talents but also by those we know who can benifit, or hinder, our growth and expansion, pheromones are far more than a pick up tool for the bars and clubs.
I hope most people continue to think pheromones are hoo-do-voo-doo, or just good for getting laid I like having this "power" to a treasured few in millions

[Muestereate]

We could tune our research into monetizing instead of sexualizing. In the real world, sex money and power are close allies.

[Primross]

You hit the nail right on the motherfuckin head.... SJW is a term used by others to describe usually someone like us - usually marginalized persons (LGBT, PoC "people of color", Women, etc.) - anyone who isn't a white Heterosexual male.... Who actually have to fight for a place in this world.

Tell me how many bills/acts whatever you want to call them have been placed to help convict Rapists, Pedophiles, Pimps, Sex Traffickers, etc.... Now look at how many laws there are on controlling a womans vagina with "prostitution", abortion, birth control... When the government starts making laws saying men jerking off and ejaculating into their socks at night is murder, then we can talk.





So.... You're only addressing half of them?... Three Quarters or...??? Hmmm, maybe you should look around your surroundings and figure out logically why women say that... Look at your verbage. Hell, you didn'y know one of your most beloved members here was a little predator... But.... I digress.....

YouTube: social justice warrior cringe.

[Cheerio]

Imo they only enhance feelings already there. But with all these social justice warriors around its only a matter of time before they twist it around comparing them as date rape colognes. Just watch a few videos on YouTube and see how they act.

I have never thought about this before... Damn, you men really do have it bad. No one is going to bat an eyelash at women wearing these.

[Cheerio]

At first I was going to say that I'd tell my partner after we get married (lol), but after the thread, I may never mention it. If this becomes mainstream, can you imagine how paranoid some people will get and how pissed off they would be? And agreed with everyone else that said people would start thinking they're being manipulated and question their attraction towards you. I know all to well that when people know they're being "experimented" on, they act differently. My little sisters know I use them and only one of my friends know I use them. But they don't really pay any attention to it. Though, sometimes I even spray them on my lil' sister before she goes somewhere.

I think I'm keeping this to myself for now... which is a shame because it's so great.

[Muestereate]

But, you are not! You are sharing them with everybody that gets a whiff and most of the time, my pheros make other's days better. The sexuals can go bad though. But the socials, the flirts etc make peoples smile and their days brighter. Men get testy on the sexuals and a lot of ladies don't seem to like themselves if they get horny. People talk about men but I hear there is a whole social element of women shaming other women for being sexual. Forgive the words, not my own, Slut Shaming?

I think it may be the same people stirring up the Misogyny and Misandry too. Very liberal universities are churning more and more publications out and social media is able to amplify any message. I'm not sure about the real motivations because of the complexity of the messages and conflicting data so far and people are thinking more and more loudly that they are not supposed to be responsible for their own feelings and thoughts. THAT is a sure fire way to sell your soul to an abuser.

Another source is modern therapy, they teach the part about acknowledging your emotions but don't teach very well how to handle them. Talking is a good release but it is just like someone taking the lid off the boiling pot. It quits boiling over but it's still rolling. We have to turn down the heat ourselves and then, make something good out of the mess.

Yeah, I made chili tonight, a few splatters .

[Primross]

At first I was going to say that I'd tell my partner after we get married (lol), but after the thread, I may never mention it. If this becomes mainstream, can you imagine how paranoid some people will get and how pissed off they would be? And agreed with everyone else that said people would start thinking they're being manipulated and question their attraction towards you. I know all to well that when people know they're being "experimented" on, they act differently. My little sisters know I use them and only one of my friends know I use them. But they don't really pay any attention to it. Though, sometimes I even spray them on my lil' sister before she goes somewhere.

I think I'm keeping this to myself for now... which is a shame because it's so great.

exactly but i feel that it will never be mainstream at least no in our lifetime. people are skeptics by nature

[Cheerio]

exactly but i feel that it will never be mainstream at least no in our lifetime. people are skeptics by nature

The way sugaring and escorting has become mainstream (and as a result, messing up the game for women who are serious about it)... it's only a matter of time. But even most sugar babies and escorts don't even know about pheros (or they have us under the impression they don't and want to keep the secret to themselves, which makes sense).

[NuTrix]

I would never tell the competition!

[Cheerio]

That's exactly why they keep it a secret, lmao.

[NuTrix]

I have never thought about this before... Damn, you men really do have it bad. No one is going to bat an eyelash at women wearing these.

True!
But the guys getting bad press for "questionable" phero use could ruin it for the rest of us! If pheros get black balled, they get black balled for us all

I mean, really, we can't bring morals into the conversation because then we'd have to figure out who's morals, which is a real kicker here.

So here's one of the main things...
Pheros won't create non consensual sex, (and sex and attraction is what leads most users to try pheromones, let's be honest here), but there are people on the outside looking in who may think that way. Hell, there are new users who may be misled to think that way until they grasp, perhaps to their own disappointment, that that is not how pheromones work.

I personally know a lot of men using pheros for work and for their relationships (not hook ups, lol) Men and women who use pheros for fun and exploration, it's not just all about getting laid or how often, lol.

But if you have a run in with a victim mentality person, or crowd, that believe such things are evil and all people using them do so with evil intent only? Wow, just think of it It could be said you tricked them into loving you, having sex with you, promoting you...pheros don't have that power, but a victim minded, close minded or uneducated person may say exactly that

I believe, and you can see in our posts, a lot of people see the potential for this to blow up in our faces if we share our phero use with the uneducated and/or unopenminded. It's a valid concern.

[Muestereate]

I have a pretty good reason to believe I was pheroed by a real narcissist. I won't quite label her as a sociopath, but a couple of months ago I would have.

[NuTrix]

But my point is we are not all evil... ok, at least I'm not, er, according to me

[Primross]

The way sugaring and escorting has become mainstream (and as a result, messing up the game for women who are serious about it)... it's only a matter of time. But even most sugar babies and escorts don't even know about pheros (or they have us under the impression they don't and want to keep the secret to themselves, which makes sense).

Well that's a different beast social media is influential in that, any hot girl with Instagram can do it and put herself in front of a million desperate guys with money to burn. the problem in that field is that hot girls are not that rare but millionaire guys are. so unless a girl is in the top 1 percentile of hotness then shes gonna have a lot of competition.

[Cheerio]

True!
But the guys getting bad press for "questionable" phero use could ruin it for the rest of us! If pheros get black balled, they get black balled for us all

I mean, really, we can't bring morals into the conversation because then we'd have to figure out who's morals, which is a real kicker here.

So here's one of the main things...
Pheros won't create non consensual sex, (and sex and attraction is what leads most users to try pheromones, let's be honest here), but there are people on the outside looking in who may think that way. Hell, there are new users who may be misled to think that way until they grasp, perhaps to their own disappointment, that that is not how pheromones work.

I personally know a lot of men using pheros for work and for their relationships (not hook ups, lol) Men and women who use pheros for fun and exploration, it's not just all about getting laid or how often, lol.

But if you have a run in with a victim mentality person, or crowd, that believe such things are evil and all people using them do so with evil intent only? Wow, just think of it It could be said you tricked them into loving you, having sex with you, promoting you...pheros don't have that power, but a victim minded, close minded or uneducated person may say exactly that

I believe, and you can see in our posts, a lot of people see the potential for this to blow up in our faces if we share our phero use with the uneducated and/or unopenminded. It's a valid concern.

Now that I think of it... can people really sue for this? Can this be the one thing that brings about a new "law" against altering someone's feelings. I know big brother is watching, so I'm not trying to give them ideas, lmao.

My morals aren't exactly in tact, right now. I'm on a journey, or a mission, and it's by any means necessary. Whether that includes spells, pheros, etc. And then I'd slowly but surely stop using them to clear my conscious, LOL.

Yeah, I think it's best to just keep it to ourselves. I'm now skeptical of sharing this info with a potential partner/husband.

[Vicki Lee]

How is mainstream sex work messing up the game? Women who are about they coin will always get it. Those who aren’t cut for it won’t. And it’s all about finding your hustle. Not everyone is meant to be a SB or escort. Some are better off doing Phone Sex or being Cam girls. But I’m pro women charging for their sexual energy and labor. Men created the market, women are filling the demand. Like I just said I’m an LSA thread the other day. Men WILL pay, if you know your worth. That’s why I don’t listen to other girls when they say something doesn’t work. They don’t really realize sex work is WORK. Everyone sees it as a hustle, no one really understands the value of people like me who provide the service. For example to further push my SJW agenda ???? FOSTA/SESTA act was set in place to help stop sex trafficking... So the government thought “Hey every website someone could possibly try to sell sex on... Let’s remove the site from the face of the earth. That will stop sex trafficking!” But wasn’t there numerous stories about how the government found missing women and trafficked children on said sites (ex. Craigslist, backpage)???? All it has done is pushed it underground. Making it harder for escorts to safely find clients and screen them to make sure they’re not meeting Jack the Rapist, or serial sex worker strangler. Because if they do get raped what do you think the police will say? The ones that are supposed to, “Protect & Serve” hmmmm. But Yeah....

The way sugaring and escorting has become mainstream (and as a result, messing up the game for women who are serious about it)... it's only a matter of time. But even most sugar babies and escorts don't even know about pheros (or they have us under the impression they don't and want to keep the secret to themselves, which makes sense).

[cryptomones]

Also to add, countries that legalize sex work often have lower rates of sexual abuse, rape and in some case lower violent crime.