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**Ildergreier** · 10-14-2019, 10:55 AM

Hmm, I would like to know too. Following.

**Phaethon** · 10-14-2019, 12:24 PM

First of all please specify "drug test".
Are you talking about a real "drug test" or rather about a "doping test"?
Different babies these two are

**cryptomones** · 10-14-2019, 03:56 PM

Originally posted by Phaethon

First of all please specify "drug test".
Are you talking about a real "drug test" or rather about a "doping test"?
Different babies these two are

Drug test as in the kind they give for security clearances. Maybe a bit higher level than typical employment tests. Not a doping a test. Although I would be interested in general to know about a doping test, I'm more interested in the employment kind.

**Muestereate** · 10-14-2019, 08:32 PM

My understanding is that employers only give tests for illegal drugs. These here are all perfectly legal. Not only are they legal, most exist naturally with the body or sweat so only relative proportions and cutoff guidelines would be helpful to an employer athletic regulatory commission.

**Muestereate** · 10-14-2019, 11:06 PM

Research for future related questions.

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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3437926/

Datia.org

http://www.datia.org/datia-resources/27-cr%20edentialing/cpc-and-cpct/931-workplace-dru%20g-testing.html#q6

Drug Testing Rights | Workplace Fairness

https://www.workplacefairness.org/drug-testing-workplace

Drug Testing Many employers require their employees to submit to drug testing both before and after being hired. Most of the time after being hired an employer requires reasonable suspicion before having an employee take a drug test. Even with the recent legalization of marijuana in some states, employees in those states can still be punished for testing positive. The punishments for a failed drug test can include rehabilitation, termination, and losing unemployment benefits. To learn more about drug testing and the workplace, read below. 1. Can my employer legally require me to take a drug test? Yes. Federal, state and private employees are all subject to drug testing. Federal statutes on drug-free workplace policies can be divided into two broad groups, or categories, of legislation. One category includes laws such as the Drug-free Workplace Act of 1988. These laws are designed explicitly to target workplace substance use. They legally compel certain types of employers to take action against drug use in the workplace, such as by developing a written policy. The other category includes laws designed to protect the basic civil rights of American workers. These statutes provide special legal protections to certain kinds of employees. They set clear limits on how far an employer can go in investigating and establishing consequences for employment drug testing. See the Department of Health and Human Services website for more information on the federal laws. Many private employers require that their employees undergo drug testing. State and local laws vary in the way that they protect private employees’ privacy. In many states and localities, private employers may test employees for health and safety reasons, to increase productivity in the workplace, or to prevent illegal activities in the workplace that derive from drug-related activity. Check your state’s law for more information on drug testing in the workplace. 2. Can I be fired for using marijuana? There is no federal law with protections for employees who use marijuana either on the job or off duty. Marijuana remains illegal at the federal level. Because of this, you may still face consequences for smoking marijuana – even in a state where it is legal. For information on state marijuana laws and the workplace, visit workplacefairness.org. 3. How do I know if marijuana is legal in my state? Visit our Marijuana and the Workplace page to get more information on state marijuana laws. 4. Can I be fired for taking prescription medication under doctor’s orders if it shows up on a drug test? You may be protected by the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA). Under the ADA, an employer cannot discriminate based on disability. However, if over time the disability no longer exists, if the medication is interfering with your ability to perform essential job functions with reasonable accommodations, or if you are taking the medication illegally, then you can be fired. For more information on disabilities and the workplace, such as what is considered a disability and what constitutes an essential job function, please visit our disability discrimination page. 5. I’m applying for a job, and my employer wants to give me a drug test. Is that legal? Yes. In most cases, an employee seeking first-time employment can be tested as a condition of employment, even if there is no cause or reason to believe that the prospective employee has been taking drugs. The employer, however, must test all incoming employees for drugs and may not single you out for special treatment. Some states have imposed limitations on pre-employment drug testing. For example, California allows a drug test only after the applicant has received an offer of employment conditioned on passing the test. In other states, employers that drug test are required to provide written notice or indicate in their job postings that testing is required. 6. My employer has a policy that I can be tested if he/she has “reasonable suspicion” that I am taking drugs. Is that legal? Yes. Just like incoming applicants can be tested for drugs, so can existing employees. The only difference is, in most cases, your employer must have reasonable suspicion that you have been taking drugs before you can be tested. 7. What does having a “reasonable suspicion” to test for drugs mean? Reasonable suspicion means that the employer has a legitimate reason, based on logic and facts, to believe that you have been taking drugs, and isn’t just guessing, speculating or discriminating against you. Reasonable suspicion can be different in different circumstances. Examples of reasonable suspicion include but are not limited to: Direct observation of drug use or physical symptoms of drug use (slurred speech, uncoordinated movement, etc.) Abnormal conduct A report from a reliable source that an employee is using drugs Evidence that an employee has tampered with his/her drug results Erratic behavior while at work or significant deterioration in work performance Evidence that the employee has used, possessed, sold, solicited, or transferred drugs while working or at work 8. Can my employer randomly test me for drugs without having reasonable suspicion? It depends. Many states require that there must be reasonable suspicion to test an employee, and employers that have not complied with this requirement have been successfully sued. However, state laws vary, and in some states, private employers are permitted to randomly test their employees, even without reasonable suspicion, as long as advance notice is given . Courts have generally held that no suspicion is needed to randomly test current employees in jobs that pose a serious risk of human injury or property damage. 9. I was involved in an accident, and my employer wants me to undergo a drug test, is that legal? Yes. Federal law permits employers to test for drugs during accident investigations. Although state laws vary, in most states, it is legal to test employees for drugs following a workplace accident. Because your employer may be held liable for injuries or damage caused as a result of your accident at work, the law allows the employer to drug test you to find out if the accident

Steroid | Drug Info | Resources | Redwood Toxicology Laboratory

https://www.redwoodtoxicology.com/resources/drug_info/steroids

Welcome to connected results. Now you will know.

**Muestereate** · 10-14-2019, 11:22 PM

This may provide some piece of mind, though anything is possible with enough money and time. Detecting any of these chemicals would require blood plasma and not the typical urine tests. If an employers wants plasma or hair, the more advance notice you have, the higher will be your chances of avoiding the return of a false positive. And I do say false positive because these are colognes and not body building chemicals.

This is from the first link above:

Although individual serum steroid measurements are amenable to GC/MS assays, the requirement for extraction and derivatization renders GC/MS too cumbersome and slow for routine clinical use, particularly when direct immunoassays on serum samples for specific steroids are available. In contrast, the same direct immunoassays are poorly suited for urine steroid analysis for several reasons. First, as discussed above, most steroids are excreted as conjugates. Second, steroids are heavily metabolized to multiple metabolites before excretion, 10 or more for cortisol as an example, all of which can pose problems of cross-reaction in immunoassays. Third, steroid concentrations in urine are more dilute than in plasma, often by an order of magnitude or more and near or below the limits of quantitation. GC/MS is ideally suited to simultaneously quantitate multiple steroid metabolites in urine, although as noted above, urine steroid analysis by GC/MS requires significant time-consuming pre-analytical sample preparation. Because of the technical challenges and more importantly the inability to perform these experiments in a high-throughput format, GC/MS steroid profiling has been limited to a few experienced academic laboratories and has not been adapted to commercial clinical assays.

emphasis my own.

The tests are available though at the bottom link, No idea of the cost but I seriously doubt if its part of a 50 dollar preemployment screening.

**Phaethon** · 10-15-2019, 11:50 AM

Originally posted by Muestereate

No idea of the cost but I seriously doubt if its part of a 50 dollar preemployment screening

Add one or two zeros and you are much closer to the region such a test would cost, this wouldn't be a off the shelf test.
As you already mentioned Muestereate there is nothing ilegal with the pheromone blends or the chemicals used.

**Muestereate** · 10-15-2019, 02:05 PM

That doesn't sound unreasonable, at least in the US. I recently had a basic hormone panel run for about 5 hormones. Test, cortisol and thyroid functions. A couple more, I can't find it now. I do recall it being an incomplete panel though and the amount they billed my insurance was like 468. Of course they paid them much less.

What I could see these causing would be with the heavy alpha stenol. That stuff makes me so chatty that I'm waiting for somebody to accuse me of being on drugs. This could be bothersome should a supervisor decide they have just cause to send you for a random just cause screening. Once again, I don't think they would test and get positive results for a broad steroid panel but instead test for illegals like Meth Coke etc. With relaxing attitudes towards pot, I could see marijuana positives being a stickey point. If I have even the most casual marijuana use, prescription or otherwise I would not want to draw that kind of attention to myself because it is still illegal federally and could easily cost you a federal job.

In a place where they do random drug tests for cause, I would not draw attention to myself with a roid rage capable pheromone product like dominant Ascend or Aquae Vitae. I have several more I would not wear at work for reasons other than drug testing. As already mentioned, There are a couple high alpha stenols blends I would try not to OD on either.

I have taken Anti depressants for about a year and for several months before I quit them I was too chatty, kinda manic actually and I quit them because I thought I might look like I was on drugs. Some of the blends with Allo-thdoc have mimicked this manic chatting thing. SOB and BW combo has me bouncing off walls

That's another combo I would rarely wear to work especially in a random drug test environment with assholes with vendettas for bosses. Work gets competitive. A well placed random after a party weekend can eliminate a superior's competition.

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