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    I think some of you here are perfumers. I dislike artificial scents. What do you suggest for natural scents, including essential oils?

    Any thoughts about the online course via perfumersapprentice or other such courses?

    potiongirl Your input would be appreciated. You are the teacher, expert, and guru now.

    Where do you find your ambergris?

    What are your thoughts on using civet?

    Where does musk come from?

    What about civet, musk, and ambergris substitutes?

    I've been using cedramber as an ambergris substitute and welcome your thoughts on cedramber, too.

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    I'm sure I'm not the only perfumer here and although I've been perfuming as a profession for about 15 yrs now, there's always more to learn. I can tell you that there's a lot of information to wade through out there if you're on your own and trying to google stuff. So also, I can answer simply and easily but please do go out and explore for more info if you're really into it. With perfuming there are many different suppliers and schools of thought on sourcing and we definitely keep our secrets close to the heart. I personally never use civet or natural musks because they're sourced by unethical treatment of animals. I love perfuming and am just beginning my study of what works to cover And enhance these pheromones I'm playing with here. So far, with the PSEL which is heavy with Cops, the Jasmine absolute I have and a spray of Ambergris tincture is Pure Heaven. I make a perfume called Love that has Jasmine, Rose, Beeswax absolute Ambergris and a drop of something not to be revealed. It's like absolute Heaven over the top of the PSEL and also used it over Tease and I'm hopefully getting my pxs86 today so I'll experiment with whatever samples I get as well as. I make an organic chocolate perfume which is also amazing over PSEL. I think it's good to mix something sweet with the COPS and I'm quite certain without ever smelling it, that SteveO's Jasmine Vanilla and also the Choclate perfume covers are perfect for these pheromones. He's such an expert I'm 100% sure these work perfectly. I just use what I've already been formulating for years and I'm sure I'll experiment with new scents now as well. Here's some pertinent info on your musks and civet question. I have not used Cedramber but I have purchased molecules from perfumer's Apprentice in the past. Good company!

    "The main sources of animal musk are the secretions of civet cats, beavers, sperm whales, and musk deer. Civet cats, who are rarely bred in captivity, are captured in the wild and held in tiny cages barely larger than their bodies, where they are kept without release in hot, smoke-filled sheds for up to 15 years. [1] Every 10 days or so the musk is brutally extracted from the glands of the conscious civets. Many of the civets cease to eat after the first extraction is performed. [2] As recently as 13 years ago, the European beaver, which is trapped and killed to obtain its musk, was at risk due to over hunting for their scent-containing castoreum sacs. [3] The romantic myth of ambergris, a substance secreted by sperm whales, says that the ambergris is vomited up voluntarily by the whales and is “cured in the sea” for a decade before it washes up on the beach. Some studies have estimated that, in reality, most ambergris currently being sold is from slaughtered whales. [4] Musk deer are also killed for their scent-containing pods, to the point that many populations are nearing extinction. Although only the male musk deer secretes musk, both male and female deer are killed indiscriminately in the hunt for musk. Three to five deer are killed for every one scent-pod collected. [5] The European organization TRAFFIC, which monitors worldwide traffic in animals and animal products, has stated that in Europe alone, the amount of raw musk legally imported over the past two decades represents the loss of tens of thousands of wild musk deer." I get beach gathered Ambegris from a trusted source in Italy and it costs a huge amount of money. They do in fact get beach gathered Ambergris from Morocco and New Zealand coastline.

    "Ambergris is a substance produced only by the sperm whale. It is naturally released by the whale. Ambergris can float in the ocean for many years. The combined action of salt water, waves and sunlight cure the ambergris to a high quality over time. "Beach cast" ambergris is also commonly referred to as “floating gold”."

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      potiongirl Thank you for such a lengthy informative post. I've avoided civet for just those reasons you listed, but perfumersapprentice has a substitute I think. Musk was also something I wanted an effective substitute for, but was uncertain if there was any ethical or effective sources.

      Ambergris I avoided because of ethical concerns again, so I went with cedramber, but you seem so knowledgeable.

      Which company do you get your ambergris from? Is it actual natural ambergris or is it a laboratory created substitute?

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        potiongirl commented
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        totally natural,beach gathered secret source, sorry. And reallllly expensive! I use it only in my most high end perfumes. True natural magic.

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      potiongirl Thank you for being generous with your knowledge. I'm glad you have put so much time in to researching ethical sources.

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        potiongirl , seems like you know a lot about perfumes.
        I'm pretty new and i would like to know if anti-bacterial properties of some essential oils have any negative effects on pheromones or not?

        If i add a few drops of a couple of essential oils into my spray, will it ruin the effects of my mones or not??

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        • #6
          Originally posted by MisterO View Post
          potiongirl , seems like you know a lot about perfumes.
          I'm pretty new and i would like to know if anti-bacterial properties of some essential oils have any negative effects on pheromones or not?

          If i add a few drops of a couple of essential oils into my spray, will it ruin the effects of my mones or not??
          I can tell you this, only from experience. Pepper/Nutmeg is wonderful stuff for diffusion and Nutmeg is a very strong anti-bacterial. At least from my testing it never seemed to mess with the blends.

          Your best bet is to get a small bottle of your favorite EO and then trial and error with some mones. Get a bottle of your favorite single molecule that you have a full understanding how it works and test the heck out of it with some EO's. You'd be surprised how certain fragrances will change the dynamics of how a mone works.


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          • #7
            Originally posted by MisterO View Post
            potiongirl , seems like you know a lot about perfumes.
            I'm pretty new and i would like to know if anti-bacterial properties of some essential oils have any negative effects on pheromones or not?

            If i add a few drops of a couple of essential oils into my spray, will it ruin the effects of my mones or not??
            Bacteria on the skin can break down or convert certain pheros. Anything antibacterial to me would be a plus in some cases. I think that, in general, alcohol based products have a bit of an advantage in maintaining the purity of the pheros you apply. The alcohol has antibacterial properties and can help you start with a clean slate.

            That being said, I'm not entirely convinced that phero conversion is necessarily a bad thing. I know that back in the day I used strictly oils and often found that after an hour or so of "cooking" on my skin the pheros were amplified. That's when the magic began to happen.

            The choice of alcohol vs oil is a matter of personal preference. I typically choose alcohol based products. But that has nothing to do with conversion or break down. In my line of work (my main environment for mone use) my encounters are brief and I don't have the time for slow diffusing oils. Alcohol hits faster, harder and at a longer range than oils. It just suits my situation better. The only oil I own right now is APi.
            Prowl, APi, Evolve spray, PSE spray, XSP74 12.5 mcg, XSP75 12.5 mcg, XSP83 12.5 mcg, XSP86 12.5 mcg, XSP93 12.5 mcg, XSP96 12.5 mcg, XSR29 12.5 mcg, XSR32 12.5 mcg, XSR35 12.5 mcg, XSR36 12.5 mcg XSR37 12.5 mcg, XSR39 12.5 mcg, XSR85 12.5mcg, AndrostAnone 25 mcg, AdrostEnone 5 mcg, DHEA 10 mcg, DHEAS 30 mcg, Androsterone 10 mcg, Epi-Androsterone 10 mcg, Androsterone Sulfate 10 mcg, A1 20 mcg, Alpha Androstenol 10 mcg, Beta Androstenol 50 mcg

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