Natural pheromone production and personality

[NuTrix]

So.
What had happened was...

BambBamb posed what I think is a fascinating thought while discussing how we might figure out what our own phero signatures might be:

It's kinda of more based in nurture vs nature to me. I think the pheromones you give out are largely influenced by your personality.

My response was:

Oooooo. Now. That makes me wonder if that's possible. As women, particularly, our hormones fluctuate throughout the month.
And body chemistry, everyone's is unique. What if it's the other way around?
While we, as thinking beings, have the ability to restrain ourselves from acting on our impulses, our impulses are still there. (I said ability, I didn't say that I restrain myself from impulse - or I wouldn't have all these pheromones from XS, hahaha!)
Desire, affection, anger, irrational behavior/moods...
What if, and just think about how people change over their lifetimes, it's our pheromones, what we produce naturally, that influence our personality? I don't believe it's just our pheromones, way more complicated than that, but that pheromones are a factor in the kind of personality we have, rather than the other way around.
Great philosophy topic!

So what are your thoughts? Could personality affect pheromone production? Could pheromone production affect personality?

Muestereate you're into biology/neurology/hormones. What are your thoughts?

[Muestereate]

I'd guess our personalities have a lot to do with our signature but as we have learned here. It works both ways. It's a lot easier to change your pheromone than it is to change your personality.

Some things to keep in mind.

The molecules we try here are not all natural pheromones meaning, they don't come from humans
Androstadienone is more or less the base human pheromone
Other natural pheromones are created by bacteria on our skin and their proportions vary by mechanisms that we have very little real research on.
Pregnenolone is more or less the base hormone
Other hormones are created by four different pathways inside the body.

Diet, exercise, and personal and clothing hygiene can change our signatures a whole lot very quickly.
Women's hormones are Only stable 2 days a month prior to menopause and even then an ovulating woman undergoes a small boost in testosterone.

During the 1970s, psychologist Paul Eckman identified six basic emotions that he suggested were universally experienced in all human cultures. The emotions he identified were happiness, sadness, disgust, fear, surprise, and anger. He later expanded his list of basic emotions to include such things as pride, shame, embarrassment, and excitement.

I think they can be reduced to even fewer but I haven't completely settled on which are the real core of the others. Steve uses 8 to classify goals.

Never let them see you sweat.

By Richard Alleyne, Science Correspondent

2:39PM GMT 03 Dec 2008

Researchers have found that chemical signals emitted by the body in sweat when scared really can be picked up by others and can trigger fear in their brains.

The discovery may help to explain why individuals with phobias such as a fear of flying can infect others who normally exhibit no such worries.

The study by Stony Brook University in New York found people who are scared give off "pheromones" - hormones - that subconsciously trigger parts of the brain associated with fear.

They concluded that fear could be "contagious", but said it was too early to say whether the brain triggers actually resulted in people being scared.

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They collected the sweat produced as the volunteers plummeted to earth and then asked a second group of volunteers to breath the fear-soaked samples alongside some fear-free sweat.

The second group's brain activity was monitored, using a scanner, as they smelled the samples and they displayed more activity in the brain's fear centres when they were exposed to the skydivers sweat.

The team, led by Lilianne Mujica-Parodi, told New Scientist magazine that their results "indicate that there may be a hidden biological component to human social dynamics, in which emotional stress is quite literally 'contagious"'.

The findings are likely to add to the debate on the influence of pheromones on human behaviour.

While the new study found that volunteers responded to sweat from frightened people, other specialists say that the absence of any evidence that volunteers actually felt scared means that it is too early to say conclusively that pheromones influence our behaviour.

Others are concerned that studies like the New York project, which was funded by the US military's research arm, could be used to develop "fear pheromones" for military use.

Simon Wesseley, psychiatrist at King's College London, told the magazine that studies in the 1960s had shown that injecting people with adrenaline did not make them fearful until the situation became threatening.

He said: "You can generate the physical symptoms of fear but people don't necessarily get scared."

In 1999, Denise Chen, a psychologist now at Rice University in Houston, Texas, asked a group of volunteers to sniff sweat from people who had watched either funny or scary film clips.

More than half of the volunteers successfully identified a sample of fearful sweat despite not being able to consciously smell any difference in the samples.

In a similar study in 2002, Kerstin Ackerl from the University of Vienna in Austria reported that women seemed to be able to detect the scent of fear. The 60 women rated sweat from women who had watched a scary movie as stronger, less pleasant and smelling more "like aggression" than sweat from women who had watched a neutral movie.

[BambBamb]

So.
What had happened was...

BambBamb posed what I think is a fascinating thought while discussing how we might figure out what our own phero signatures might be:


My response was:




So what are your thoughts? Could personality affect pheromone production? Could pheromone production affect personality?

Muestereate you're into biology/neurology/hormones. What are your thoughts?

I agree that it kinda like a two way street. How you are raised affects not only personality, but also your biology. The things you are exposed to in your childhood can literal change your DNA overtime, which has strong influence on behavior. It is not that your body cannot produce certain pheromones. It is more like body isn't use to producing certain pheromones because of your personality. These are just my beliefs tho.

[Muestereate]

Our beliefs are central to how we act and we form them based on all kinds of info from our environment. Beliefs can be changed and with them we can learn to change our behaviors. We do not have to be slaves to our beliefs though we frequently are. In addition to our behaviors, beliefs also fuel our feelings. Once again, by changing our beliefs we have power over our emotions if we want. Many people instead are a slave to their feelings and let them run their life. This does not have to be so.

Two people can experience the same thing and have opposite feelings and behaviors. This puzzles many. Two girls, independently, have sex with the same man. He treats both the same way and goes on his way. One woman believes he takes something from her and the other believes he gives something to her.

Next month another man wearing some ass kicking PXS pheromone walks past these two women, say in the same coffee shop, at the same time of day and says nothing nor acts in any attractive or disgusting manner. Both women think of sex. One gets up, leaves her coffee goes outside an has an unexplained anxiety attack and verbally assaults people for the rest of the day. The other getting aroused looks for the source of her pleasure strikes up a conversation, feels attractive and goes on to spread good cheer and positive vibes through the world for the rest of the day.

The difference is their beliefs and in this case it was their beliefs before they had an affair(nurture) with our mystery man number 1. Both had natural sexual instincts, both were treated neutrally, both were exposed to the same pheromone but one acts as if she's about to be taken advantage of and the other acts as if she might get lucky.

One reeks of worry, anxiety and corticosteroids the other of fresh copulins and estratetraenol. One is anxious and the other excited. One's skin bacteria is making extra alpha androstenols and the other is making beta androstenols. One saliva is turning into androsterone and the others is turning into epiandrosterone.

Just based on beliefs that either one may have picked up in fairytales. One was horrified by the story of the Big Bad Wolf and the other captivated by prince charming looking for her with a glass slipper and pumpkin chariots. The power of beliefs.

[NuTrix]

There's a lot of biological interaction on a subconscious level.
We can do some things externally, suppliment, health, exercise, spray or swipe on pheromones, etc.
Then there's instinct, intuition, subconscious underpinnings affecting hormone production that can/does change things.
If you're empathic it can be a real pain until you learn what it is and how to contain/control it. It can create real discord but, once you get a handle on it, is incredibly advantageous. (I wish I'd had a mentor in my youth, things would have progressed much differently...)
And on top of that, our known beliefs or views, positivity or negatively.