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  • On Panty Scorcher...

    There seems to be a lot of confusion about my pheromone mix Panty Scorcher, from the old days at Androtics. So I will clear up what I can here.

    Panty Scorcher currently exists on paper only, aside from perhaps a half an ounce that I still have and have been saving. It is three different formulas, Version 1.0, Revision 1 and Revision 2.

    Version 1 is composed of 16 pheromone ingredients and Version 1.2 uses 17.

    Panty Scorcher was discontinued because Androtics would not make more of it. The claim made was that it was "too expensive", costing "$4,000 per ounce to make", and that "it did not perform better than a placebo consisting of Beta Androstenol alone". I do not know the veracity of these statements, but I do know the latter assertion (that it did not perform better than placebo) directly contradicted my experience, all of my personal testers' experiences, and many of the people who used the Androtix MX pack's experience.

    In spite of these claims, I gave a 1 ounce bottle of it to a friend who was a business specialist, and after he saw what it did, he raised literally millions of dollars in startup capital. He went after Androtics himself trying to work up a deal. He failed to get anywhere.

    Since the formulas are not entirely pheromone names, but code names Androtics uses, I didn't know what the actual chemistry was and this was the end at that time. I couldn't do anything further with it. If they have re-issued it since then, they did it without my permission or oversight.

    Panty Scorcher was originally released in both Game and Akuto scent.

    The mix was not discontinued because any of the ingredients were or are illegal, to the best of my knowledge. It was not discontinued because I did not want to keep offering it, or anything like that.

    I am planning to, at some point, and in some way, try to get it re-made and figure out the actual chemistry so that I can continue developing it. I believe I can refine and improve it further still, since it really didn't get nearly enough testing IMO. I also believe I can steer it in several vastly different directions, in different versions.

    Panty Scorcher was calculated entirely by the use of a software program I created for myself originally intended to tell me what the optimal pheromone product to use in any given situation was, and the optimal amount to use each time. It proved so effective that I tried calculating some mixes with it, and PS was my first major test of it, calculating whether or not each of more than 18 pheromones should be included or not, and if so, at what concentration. That "calculator" has since evolved through constant usage and refinement into a series of three slightly different predictive computer models that I use to calculate a variety of other things as well, and the models have very high accuracy when used properly. Skeptics are welcome to be skeptical, but I know what this would do in the wrong hands and I will never release my predictive models, so you are welcome to your skepticism if my words to not convince.

    Based on the feedback I got from my own experiments with it, and that of the people I turned to privately for testing, I got excellent feedback and results. However, I never got the chance to really test it myself well enough to fully understand it. Hopefully it can be re-released and I can continue to improve it. It would be very interesting to see how it compares now to the more developed high end mixes available for sale. I'd like to see how much of the legend holds up to real life testing, since I didn't even know it became a legend until recently.

  • #2
    Wow this is a great background, thanks for sharing! I am excited about this! SteveO does allow for custom mixes here, so were you planning to have it released through PXS or through your own mixing?

    If I may ask, how did you program the pheromone calculator? As in, does the software calculate based on your past inputted experiences with different concentrations? I'm just curious on how you came up with the idea and if you had any background in AI. Sounds pretty awesome!
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    • #3
      Originally posted by knowledgeispower View Post
      Wow this is a great background, thanks for sharing! I am excited about this! SteveO does allow for custom mixes here, so were you planning to have it released through PXS or through your own mixing?
      I am geared up more for a perfumery lab than a pheromone lab. I will probably have to go through someone else to produce this mix commercially. At the same time, I do want and expect to make some money on my efforts, since this mix is unique in not only how it came to be, but what it does - as far as I can tell. So I am discussing things with Ekscentra, but if SteveO were interested in making me an offer in the same direction, I would consider working with him. I haven't made a decision fully as to what I am going to do yet, it's on hold for the moment.

      If I may ask, how did you program the pheromone calculator? As in, does the software calculate based on your past inputted experiences with different concentrations? I'm just curious on how you came up with the idea and if you had any background in AI. Sounds pretty awesome!
      The pheromone calculator is based on certain factors that have largely escaped the notice and comprehension of the world so far. I discovered it mostly by accident, being in the right place at the right time, seeing the right sequence of events, having a very specific niche knowledge concerning what I was seeing, and it allowed me to piece together the concept that led to the first "pheromone calculator". How it works, and how it is coded, of course, I cannot divulge. That it works at all still astonishes me to this very day, but I have been actively and continuously using it for about the last 10 years and I have discovered it's strengths and weaknesses and how to overcome most of it's weaknesses. Is it always accurate? Of course not. But through methods that rely on a sort of stair-stepping technique, we can refine the accuracy of the answers over time. The more correctly phrased the question is and the more processing power and time, the higher the accuracy of the answers that result.

      My background only includes cursory glances at one book on AI systems. The models do not use AI. They are actually closer in relation to weather models, but use variables and concepts that are completely outside the scope of computer models for weather. To say that it is useful is a serious understatement. Development is ongoing, although the complexity at this point has made it painful for me to work on.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Catlord17 View Post

        I am geared up more for a perfumery lab than a pheromone lab. I will probably have to go through someone else to produce this mix commercially. At the same time, I do want and expect to make some money on my efforts, since this mix is unique in not only how it came to be, but what it does - as far as I can tell. So I am discussing things with Ekscentra, but if SteveO were interested in making me an offer in the same direction, I would consider working with him. I haven't made a decision fully as to what I am going to do yet, it's on hold for the moment.



        The pheromone calculator is based on certain factors that have largely escaped the notice and comprehension of the world so far. I discovered it mostly by accident, being in the right place at the right time, seeing the right sequence of events, having a very specific niche knowledge concerning what I was seeing, and it allowed me to piece together the concept that led to the first "pheromone calculator". How it works, and how it is coded, of course, I cannot divulge. That it works at all still astonishes me to this very day, but I have been actively and continuously using it for about the last 10 years and I have discovered it's strengths and weaknesses and how to overcome most of it's weaknesses. Is it always accurate? Of course not. But through methods that rely on a sort of stair-stepping technique, we can refine the accuracy of the answers over time. The more correctly phrased the question is and the more processing power and time, the higher the accuracy of the answers that result.

        My background only includes cursory glances at one book on AI systems. The models do not use AI. They are actually closer in relation to weather models, but use variables and concepts that are completely outside the scope of computer models for weather. To say that it is useful is a serious understatement. Development is ongoing, although the complexity at this point has made it painful for me to work on.
        Thanks for sharing! Looks like we are in good hands Completely understand your right to keep these a trade secret. Also keep in mind PXS custom mixes do become the exclusive right of PXS so if this is something you wanted to make money from you would probably be best served working out a deal with SteveO or doing it elsewhere.
        PXS Product Content Spreadsheet: https://goo.gl/q7KVX1
        PXS
        Sprays: Bliss, SOB, Xist, Taboo, Evolve, Cohesion, Dominant Ascend, Exotica, Ascend (with and without cops), Limitless
        Oils: Xist, Cohesion, Desire Me for Men, Massage Oil for Men
        Samples: SOB, Crush, Bliss, Evolve, Thinker, Odyssey, Vibe, Flirt, Barely Legal, Celebrity
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        • XSteveO
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          Not so actually. Only the blends I personally create or someone else does who only wants name recognition. Currently we have numerous license agreements to produce blends for other vendors.

        • knowledgeispower
          knowledgeispower commented
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          Thanks for the clarification!

      • #5
        Originally posted by knowledgeispower View Post

        Thanks for sharing! Looks like we are in good hands Completely understand your right to keep these a trade secret. Also keep in mind PXS custom mixes do become the exclusive right of PXS so if this is something you wanted to make money from you would probably be best served working out a deal with SteveO or doing it elsewhere.
        That's likely to happen no matter what company he goes with unless he comes to a mutual agreement. I can't speak for Steve but I'd be inclined to do just that, work out a deal with CL. Just my thoughts.

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        • #6
          We shall see what the future brings. I'm not going to just give away the rights to my calculated formulas, though.

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          • #7
            I would hope not! At least this time, you'll know what goes into your formulas instead of coded putatives.

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            • #8
              Definitely hit up XSteveO and chat about it. I personally would be more likely to buy it if it was produced by PXS than some off brand. Only reason is because I know the quality and standards behind PXS and I absolutely adore the diffusion tech they've put in their products. I'm sure SteveO would make you a fair offer. I assume the "all rights retained by PXS" is more language for people who just want some custom things made by PXS for themselves; but if you are working directly with him to offer a product to his customers that you have tested before and have others interested in, I am sure you will get a deal and retain rights to it.
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              PXS
              Sprays: Bliss, SOB, Xist, Taboo, Evolve, Cohesion, Dominant Ascend, Exotica, Ascend (with and without cops), Limitless
              Oils: Xist, Cohesion, Desire Me for Men, Massage Oil for Men
              Samples: SOB, Crush, Bliss, Evolve, Thinker, Odyssey, Vibe, Flirt, Barely Legal, Celebrity
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              • #9
                I'm looking at my options. SteveO is probably the person who has the best chance of knowing what all the coded stuff is, but I have to be able to contact him about it first, and so far I have had very little contact. I understand he's swamped busy, as I am too. But... need to talk with you, Steve! Not just about this! There's a lot to discuss in several directions. The PS, however, isn't something I am going to make a rushed decision on.

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                • #10
                  Ekscentra and I were thinking of using a reverse engineering technique known as C.C.A. to find out what those now defunct classic formulas were made of (A314 ver. 18 - 23). He is currently trying to come up with his own mixes to test, and bring in to market after making the necessary tweaks. You should definitely get in contact with him, I'm sure he would be interested in working with you in this. I definitely am interested in helping with the development of this great product as well, and maybe we can all (including SteveO) work together and do our part in bringing the development of the infamous Panty Scorcher back to life. PM if you like so I can give you more details.
                  Androtics Direct: A314 v18 batch 2, Ammo, CTTM v2, IH, IO, IS, MX203, MX297, MX330, P74, P79, P83, TAA, TUTH
                  Liquid Alchemy Labs: DP (sample), Primitive (sample) AV, Wolf, Nude (sample), NA (sample), Max-T-150
                  LPMP: TLG
                  Love Scent: NPA, SOE
                  Alpha Dream: LIIK v1 & v2
                  PheromoneXS: Xist, Ascend oil, Ascend oil -cops, ACE spray pack,
                  Apex: Core (Fury), Chamber 36, Manimal 2

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                  • #11
                    Originally posted by DssMaster View Post
                    Ekscentra and I were thinking of using a reverse engineering technique known as C.C.A. to find out what those now defunct classic formulas were made of (A314 ver. 18 - 23). He is currently trying to come up with his own mixes to test, and bring in to market after making the necessary tweaks. You should definitely get in contact with him, I'm sure he would be interested in working with you in this. I definitely am interested in helping with the development of this great product as well, and maybe we can all (including SteveO) work together and do our part in bringing the development of the infamous Panty Scorcher back to life. PM if you like so I can give you more details.
                    Ekscentra is my other iotion, and I have already been in touch with him. If we could all do this together, it would be much easier for me, but I don't know what Ekscentra or Steve has to say on that.

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                    • #12
                      Originally posted by DssMaster View Post
                      Ekscentra and I were thinking of using a reverse engineering technique known as C.C.A. to find out what those now defunct classic formulas were made of (A314 ver. 18 - 23). He is currently trying to come up with his own mixes to test, and bring in to market after making the necessary tweaks. You should definitely get in contact with him, I'm sure he would be interested in working with you in this. I definitely am interested in helping with the development of this great product as well, and maybe we can all (including SteveO) work together and do our part in bringing the development of the infamous Panty Scorcher back to life. PM if you like so I can give you more details.
                      Mass Spectrometry is the best form of reverse engineering and I believe it has already been tried and it was not successful because Androtics puts a high amount of plant sterols in their mixes to mask the pheromones so they become lost in the noise =/
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                      PXS
                      Sprays: Bliss, SOB, Xist, Taboo, Evolve, Cohesion, Dominant Ascend, Exotica, Ascend (with and without cops), Limitless
                      Oils: Xist, Cohesion, Desire Me for Men, Massage Oil for Men
                      Samples: SOB, Crush, Bliss, Evolve, Thinker, Odyssey, Vibe, Flirt, Barely Legal, Celebrity
                      AD
                      AMMO (1.0), IS, IG, IJ, IH, IO, CTTM 2, TUTH (1.0 and 1.1), p74, p83, p93, p100, Spaceland, MX 297, MX 272, MX 291, Lip Magnet

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                      • #13
                        Originally posted by knowledgeispower View Post

                        Mass Spectrometry is the best form of reverse engineering and I believe it has already been tried and it was not successful because Androtics puts a high amount of plant sterols in their mixes to mask the pheromones so they become lost in the noise =/
                        I had an interesting experience with this actually myself. We were testing a new source and something they had sent us was supposedly Alpha-Nol but didn't quite have the bounce I had come to know. We tested it with Thin Layer and it was 98% pure but when we did the IR test it was significantly different from a known specimen of Alpha-Nol the scientist at the lab produced himself. Only thing was that even though this is a prestigious lab with an impeccable reputation the sample of Alpha-Nol we were provided back as reference point (same one they used for the IR test) I was really surprised at how different it was from any Alpha-Nol I had ever used. I forwarded some to Dancing Joker and he was of the same opinion. Both our new sourced Alpha-Nol and the labs Alpha-Nol were only in name and not results.

                        I personally believe it has a lot to do with the actual formulation process itself. Jessie knew Walters meth formula and cooked many batches before getting a blend similar to his, but never quite as good or the same. The cook matters.

                        Anyway I found a lab who would test our new source molecule for a significant charge. That charge alone negated any savings and those savings would have been significant.

                        What it all comes down to is many, many hours of research and personal testing on what molecule does what. If a person willing to say they know what a formula is of any company first ask them how long they have been using the blend for. I've heard many stories about how certain people have allegedly reversed engineered some of XS blends without ever trying them not even a single time. Pretty sure somebody told 2000GT what a formula was but it was 2000GT formula to begin with and they were completely wrong. But not surprisingly their defense was oh but I never tried it, I'm only going off what others said.

                        We try new molecules here at XS at least a few times a year. We have quite a few ready for public release, while quite a few others are duds. A pheromone enthusiast is someone who gets their hands dirty and goes out testing and testing and then testing some more. Anyone can play forum jockey but that doesn't make them a specialist. Quite frankly its why I stopped posting on other forums and dealing with other vendors: to many fakers looking to make a buck but never used their own products let alone anyone else.

                        I get a lot of requests of just how much of this or that is in a blend from certain people who clearly have an agenda. Isn't it funny to then read the same people telling you they are attempting to reverse engineer blends, oh but not any of XS blends I'm sure. Just like thundr wasn't going around bad mouthing XS so he could then start his own company. LOL the level some people will stoop is sad.

                        I've always respected Catlord17 and we spent many of hours just chatting about life, game and pheromones on the phone over the years. He's a guy very much like myself who when he was active was immersed into pheromones. His, like mine, wasn't forum jockeying, but rather earned results from years of trials, testing and hard work. Don't let his calculater thingy fool anyone for a second. The man busted his ass to understand pheromones and that knowledge went into his creation of a calculator. If the opportunity is right and he can make money while XS offers a valuable resource to the community I'm all for it. We have a call scheduled tomorrow night. My priority has been getting the EU Center up and running and to be this close is just an exciting time for me. Its been to long coming.

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                        • #14
                          Originally posted by SteveO View Post
                          I personally believe it has a lot to do with the actual formulation process itself. Jessie knew Walters meth formula and cooked many batches before getting a blend similar to his, but never quite as good or the same. The cook matters.
                          Bingo! This is huge! I think too many people underestimate that. Just ask anyone who has ever tried to make french macaroons at home
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                          Sprays: Bliss, SOB, Xist, Taboo, Evolve, Cohesion, Dominant Ascend, Exotica, Ascend (with and without cops), Limitless
                          Oils: Xist, Cohesion, Desire Me for Men, Massage Oil for Men
                          Samples: SOB, Crush, Bliss, Evolve, Thinker, Odyssey, Vibe, Flirt, Barely Legal, Celebrity
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                          • #15
                            Originally posted by SteveO View Post
                            I get a lot of requests of just how much of this or that is in a blend from certain people who clearly have an agenda. Isn't it funny to then read the same people telling you they are attempting to reverse engineer blends, oh but not any of XS blends I'm sure. Just like thundr wasn't going around bad mouthing XS so he could then start his own company. LOL the level some people will stoop is sad.
                            I hope you don't mean me , I promise I have no ulterior motive/agenda. I'm just someone who really likes to know what he puts on (cough DHEA in Cohesion? cough cough lol). I and what you stand for XSteveO to ever even think about stealing your work. Plus I really have no time/equipment/knowledge to really do that in the first place. I'd rather pour my money into buying your products than making them myself!
                            PXS Product Content Spreadsheet: https://goo.gl/q7KVX1
                            PXS
                            Sprays: Bliss, SOB, Xist, Taboo, Evolve, Cohesion, Dominant Ascend, Exotica, Ascend (with and without cops), Limitless
                            Oils: Xist, Cohesion, Desire Me for Men, Massage Oil for Men
                            Samples: SOB, Crush, Bliss, Evolve, Thinker, Odyssey, Vibe, Flirt, Barely Legal, Celebrity
                            AD
                            AMMO (1.0), IS, IG, IJ, IH, IO, CTTM 2, TUTH (1.0 and 1.1), p74, p83, p93, p100, Spaceland, MX 297, MX 272, MX 291, Lip Magnet

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                            • XSteveO
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                              NOT AT ALL.

                          • #16
                            Hey SteveO, how are you man? Just wanted to say that the reason I suggested about the R.I. was for the sole purpose of finding out what great classic formulas (A314 ver. 18, P.S.) were made of so that phero masters like you could figure out what the components are and bring them back to life. Never said that it should be done to steal other vendor's business. But as I'm sure many people here would agree, it's quite annoying and frustrating to have a product changed and/or discontinued because the company (Androtics) just changes their business practices for the worst, to scam their customers with watered down versions of their products (A314), or point blank discontinue a product that was well received in the testing phase (like in the case of P.S.). In such a case, you're just continuing the further research on a formula that someone else has given up on.

                            P.S. I hope good things come out of that phone call between you and Catlord17. I'm sure that having you guys (even better if Ekscentra joins in too) working together would definitely speed things up in the further development and advancement of phero technology.
                            Androtics Direct: A314 v18 batch 2, Ammo, CTTM v2, IH, IO, IS, MX203, MX297, MX330, P74, P79, P83, TAA, TUTH
                            Liquid Alchemy Labs: DP (sample), Primitive (sample) AV, Wolf, Nude (sample), NA (sample), Max-T-150
                            LPMP: TLG
                            Love Scent: NPA, SOE
                            Alpha Dream: LIIK v1 & v2
                            PheromoneXS: Xist, Ascend oil, Ascend oil -cops, ACE spray pack,
                            Apex: Core (Fury), Chamber 36, Manimal 2

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                            • #17
                              This sounds exciting! Hope you guys work something out! I really like the unsubtle name! Panty Scorcher! I want to get some of that! lol

                              Personaly I feel like SOB can fit under that name. It does get women really worked up down there!

                              Can't believe how bad Androtics has got! They completely do the opposite of their mission statement. Basically do prey on, and scam people

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                              • #18
                                Originally posted by Ixist View Post
                                This sounds exciting! Hope you guys work something out! I really like the unsubtle name! Panty Scorcher! I want to get some of that! lol

                                Personaly I feel like SOB can fit under that name. It does get women really worked up down there!

                                Can't believe how bad Androtics has got! They completely do the opposite of their mission statement. Basically do pray on, and scam people
                                they went down the toilet rather quickly. Pherotruth has a few threads that highlight the BS that went on when they started to slip big time. I don't trust any of their products to be effective at this point. That's why I stick to Steve's stuff, LAL, Phero Treasures, etc. More reliable, less drama.

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                                • #19
                                  Originally posted by 2000GT View Post

                                  they went down the toilet rather quickly. Pherotruth has a few threads that highlight the BS that went on when they started to slip big time. I don't trust any of their products to be effective at this point. That's why I stick to Steve's stuff, LAL, Phero Treasures, etc. More reliable, less drama.
                                  The most shocking to me is going back through my old posts and seeing how they even censored words like ICM in some of my old threads...

                                  I was like since when did ICM become a banned word? Lol
                                  PXS Product Content Spreadsheet: https://goo.gl/q7KVX1
                                  PXS
                                  Sprays: Bliss, SOB, Xist, Taboo, Evolve, Cohesion, Dominant Ascend, Exotica, Ascend (with and without cops), Limitless
                                  Oils: Xist, Cohesion, Desire Me for Men, Massage Oil for Men
                                  Samples: SOB, Crush, Bliss, Evolve, Thinker, Odyssey, Vibe, Flirt, Barely Legal, Celebrity
                                  AD
                                  AMMO (1.0), IS, IG, IJ, IH, IO, CTTM 2, TUTH (1.0 and 1.1), p74, p83, p93, p100, Spaceland, MX 297, MX 272, MX 291, Lip Magnet

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                                  • #20
                                    Originally posted by knowledgeispower View Post

                                    The most shocking to me is going back through my old posts and seeing how they even censored words like ICM in some of my old threads...

                                    I was like since when did ICM become a banned word? Lol
                                    As soon as Steve branched out on his own. They've removed almost all evidence of his presence on the forum. They're a very vindictive group, AD's staff. Anyone who's spoken out against them, has been soft banned. Meaning, they have your account set up so as soon as you try to log in, you get time out errors. It makes it look like you've left the forum without having to actually ban you. It's happened to quite a few people.

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                                    • knowledgeispower
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                                      wow so its worse than I thought

                                    • 2000GT
                                      2000GT commented
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                                      oh yea, it's bad. VERY. That's part of the reason why I don't trust the quality of their products. Could all be placebos for all we know.

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