Old dog checking in...

[Mysterion]

Thanks, Xcc , especially for the recommendations!

I'm not into beta testing stuff here. I did this back at AD, but I don't have the money for it these days. Perhaps I can request samples with my next order, but seeing that they are custom made I doubt they have any samples available.

Also, why do you recommend Xist for women to attract gay men? Female mones don't attract gay guys (no matter who they are worn by) which has been, I believe, confirmed by XSteveO (just can't find his post about it right now, might've been one of his FAQs even). Also, it would make sense that gay individuals are attracted by a pheromone signature of their respective sex.

[Xcc]

Also, why do you recommend Xist for women to attract gay men? Female mones don't attract gay guys (no matter who they are worn by) which has been, I believe, confirmed by XSteveO (just can't find his post about it right now, might've been one of his FAQs even). Also, it would make sense that gay individuals are attracted by a pheromone signature of their respective sex.

Perhaps you're right. Even if females mones aren't supposed to attract gay guys, what was the effect of Cohesion on your boyfriend. My philosophy of testing is even if XSteveO or idle says something, I only take that as a hypothesis and I want to see what the results are. Do they confirm or contradict the hypothesis?

Here's why I thought to recommend that: I thought you used Cohesion with your boyfriend. Cohesion is usually recommended to get a calming and sexual response from women. Yet what you said about your boyfriend when using Cohesion: "he gets very cuddly, takes deep breaths near my neck and tells me how it reminds him of how important I am to him and makes him feel good and comfy". That's sounds how a woman might responds to Cohesion or A1. So I extrapolated that perhaps another such formula might work.

Although I value the input of SteveO and idle as much as I do, I believe the only way to know if something will work is to try it. So if I was gay or bisexual, I would try XiSt for women and see what impact that would have on a man I was interested in. Then I would truly know if it would or would not work.

[elvin.tan77]

Xcc, imho, the reason gay is attracted to a guy is coz they are attracted to guys, like a girl. So if that's the case, the Mones for guys should work on them too.

[Mysterion]

Xcc I think you have a thought error there ^^' I used Cohesion for men to attract a man -> he was positively affected by a product for men. That makes sense because he's gay and attracted to guys. The conclusion that because of this, products for females should attract a gay guy is kind of backwards, exactly the other way around. But hey no problem, I appreciate your effort to recommend a lot of products to me!

[Xcc]

Mysterion You are welcome. I want people to succeed and be happy. If those products or ideas might help, great.

You also correctly pointed out that I'm mismatching a certain logic, common sense, and/or input from an authority regarding how gender, sexual orientation, and pheromones might be interconnected. That point is unarguable. It is true and unassailable.

Your reasoning that men's pheromones (rather than women's pheromones) should attract a man who is attracted to men is also a point I refuse to argue because I don't know if I can.

I'm also pointing out values or inclinations. Do I value my results and observations over common sense, logic, input from an authority, or claims on a website? The way I do things is to hypothesize, develop criteria, establish a base line, define terms abstractly, define terms as concrete observable behaviors, observe, control for confounding variables, record results, etc.

Two of the main authorities here are XSteveO and idle and even so, I interpret what they say simply as ideas to test.

What I am saying also is I still believe that what is presented on the advert page or by an authority (such as SteveO) or could be considered sensible is simply a testable hypothesis. As much as I like planning and thinking things through, I'm more concerned with real world results when I wear something rather than what makes sense, what authority figures say, or claims on a website.

As one example, I was told a pheromone product was supposed to improve my focus. Not for me. I found something completely unexpected... that I was the most popular man in the room when wearing it. Apparently, it seemed to have improved other people's focus on me, and in a good way.

I also recently tested a product that is presented as unisex. From what I could observe, it strongly impacted women with little or no impact on men.

Those are just two examples. If you are as bold of a tester as I am, I'd encourage you to purchase XiSt for women and experiment with it. Then you just might discover things that only you would know. You would be even further on the cutting edge than you are, and I know you already are on the cutting edge. Has anyone else on here posted similar results you got with Cohesion and men? Not that I know of.

I think you have the potential to be an innovator. As far as I know you are the only bisexual man on this forum. You could develop ideas and test them. You just might have a monopoly on the information for such a niche. You could be the inception for a whole line of products. How exciting is that?

I've been using pheromones off and on for 10+ years. I've only known one company that had formulas for bisexuals. He also had some for gay men and lesbians. Very innovative. But he's disappeared.

I don't know how much you love testing, but I do. In fact, if XSteveO sent me a sample of XiSt for women I'd be willing to put some on and go to a gay bar and sit and observe. Why? Because I know it would be helping SteveO's business, because it would be my way of saying "thank you" to Steve for all his generosity towards me, because I know that the results I get could help would people who are interested in pheromones, because I know that men who are attracted to men could benefit from the observations, and because (as far as I know) no one else has done that.

[Xcc]

elvin.tan77 What you posted above might be true. That is why I think testing is important. Thank you for the idea.

[KateD]

Mysterion! I can't believe I never replied to this thread, just late I guess. And no, Amanda is not me. I mean I could never, EVER show my booty like that in public. Ugh! lol Plus, I am the conservative, good girl in this company.

What makes your thread unique is that you are a bisexual and that definitely adds some ideas and great findings when you report how the products work on your relations with men as well as women, using the same host : YOU

I love a good read and I think you are going to give me plenty of opportunities to do so. I think since you are an old, new dog you got a lot of love from the guys.Please spread the love as you continue to contribute to our amazing forum