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Hello everyone.
I first came into contact with pheromones back in 2010, almost 10 years ago. Back then I stumbled into the pherotalk forum, got really amazed, bought a bunch of stuff, got even more amazed, then called the pheromone help line, which back then ended on SteveO's desk.
I remember talking with him at length, about how he was stationed in Frankfurt once, which is close to where I live, getting some good advice on pheromones, and just having a friendly chat that shaped my image of AD as a friendly trustworthy company for years to come.
I ended up buying a bunch of stuff and having really good successes with it.
At the time I was 22 and I was attending evening classes, trying to finish high school, and the pheromones helped me boost my confidence to the point of actually managing to attend the evening classes every day, despite my horrible agoraphobia. I got my first girlfriend around that time as well, due in equal parts to the careful application of pheromones, and the careful application of the mystery method.
Not only that, I ended up becoming student president and had girls chasing after me throughout the school.
Towards the end of my time there I started to run out of pheromones. I had originally bought a decent stash, but now they were running out. I intended to buy new ones, but there was no pressure to do it. Running out of pheromones didn't really change much. I was already top dog at the school. Not wearing any pheromones didn't change the respect I was getting.
Things only changed once I finished high shool and moved on to university.
And suddenly being in a completely new group with completely new people really pulled the rug from under my feet. My agoraphobia kicked back in and I had problems going to classes.
So I went to buy more pheromones.
It must have been about 2013, SteveO's helpline now ended with a woman who was not very nice to me. No matter. I'm here for the pheromones, not the conversation... I bought a bunch of the stuff that I knew and loved. A314, IO, IH, IS, TAF, P83. Things had gotten super expensive. Hard to afford on a students budget, but well worth it, as I knew from experience. And the profits couldn't go to a nicer company.
So my pheromones arrived and I was excited. I was trying hard to keep my expectations in check. It was hardly going to be quite as transformative as it had been the first time, after all. But what happened was... nothing. I still had a super hard time going to the university, interacting with people, being in a room with people... I didn't get any extra respect, or IOIs, or the attention of the professors... The pheromones just didn't seem to work. The only one that I still had noticeable effects from was TAF, which I wore mainly for the self-effects, so I kept questioning whether I was just immagining things. Maybe pheromones had never been real at all. Maybe it had all been due to the placebo effect. Maybe all of this was just mass delusion? The forums were still full of glowing testimonials.
I ended up calling the help line again. The woman at the other end told me that they didn't know about any bad batches and I would have to send back all the products that I was having doubts about, so they could be tested for their content. If indeed there was something wrong with them, then they would refund my money. I didn't want to do that. I was still clinging to the hope, that maybe my pheromones were fine and I just missed the effects. I just needed to do more testing.
I learned to cope over time, I switched areas of study once, but stuck with the second one. I remained a loner, but I did make some friends. I did some daygame with decent success. Having once been at the top of the food chain did give a lasting boost to my confidence. But I never saw any difference between pheromone days and no-pheromone days any more.
I actually ended up using up most of the stuff throughout my time at the university, and when I ran out, I was pretty much convinced, that pheromones were one big scam and I had just been duped.
But a nagging doubt remained... It had worked once.
Now I am 32. I've started on my master's degree, and I'm better able to cope with my fears. I'm in a better place than 10 years ago. I've started playing dnd and vtm a while ago, which helps. I've got friends now, that also helps.
I'm living with a girl who used to be my girlfriend for a while, but whom I lost all physical attraction to, for some reason. Living with her I didn't really feel comfortable bringing other girls home. To spare her feelings, I'd like to think, but the human brain likes to use things like that as excuses to cover up its fears, so who knows.
I've got a female friend who I like a lot, and whom I think I could have a serious relationship with in the future, if she ever did ditch her asshole boyfriend. But I know better than to focus my efforts on her.
I'm going to move into my own appartment again in a few weeks, and when I do, I'm going to start daygaming again, which I know I can do decently... and when a rotation of girls is passing through my life, then either that will make her jealous, or it won't, and I will take my cues from that.
But standing poised to change my life for the better once more, I remembered what helped me last time.
And on a whim I googled AD.
And I came across a blogpost talking about how AD used to be great until they hiked up their prices and lowered their quality.
And I went Ooooh, that makes a lot of sense.
And that blogpost mentioned how there is another company, founded by a guy by the name of SteveO.
And I went Ooooh, I remember that guy.
If you've read all of the above: kudos to you, and thank you for your time. I didn't intend for this post to be that long, but I felt like sharing my journey, maybe find people who have had similar journeys in some respects.
I'd be really curious to hear what went on behind the scenes. Why and when Steve left AD, why the quality deteriorated and when exactly that trend started...
Also, I'd like some advice on pheromones, as I've been out of the game for a while.
I was thinking about taking advantage of the party pack to get XiSt, Cohesion, Ascend, SOB, Bliss, Connections and Odyssey...
I've also been thinking about getting Bliss as a 30ml immediately, if it is anything like IS, which I basically used to use on top of almost everything.
And on top of that I'm looking forward to trying out XSP-F, as TAF has been one of my favorites.
Another one that I am somewhat curious about is Celebrity and how Celebrity and Ascend relate to A314, which I used to love. Which one is more like A314 and is there any reason why A314 used to be an oil?
Would you guys recommend waiting for a special offer?
Is there some ressource that you could point me to, which is a must-read to get up to speed on the current state of the art?
Also, lastly, I realise that the XS products surely have their own personality and function, but I, not having tried them yet, find it hard not to think of them in terms of AD equivalents. So I'm going to list what effects I hope to replicate. Perhaps some of you can point out where I'm wrong, if I'm wrong.
XiSt - Ammo
Cohesion - TAC/A1
Ascend - A314
SOB - IJ
Bliss - IS
Connections - IH
Odyssey - Spaceland, the fabled AD product that was never available, but everyone wanted
Celebrity - Also A314?
Thank you again for taking the time to read this, and I would very much appreciate input of any kind, even just links to posts to read.
Greetings from Germany,
Coach
Hello everyone.
I first came into contact with pheromones back in 2010, almost 10 years ago. Back then I stumbled into the pherotalk forum, got really amazed, bought a bunch of stuff, got even more amazed, then called the pheromone help line, which back then ended on SteveO's desk.
I remember talking with him at length, about how he was stationed in Frankfurt once, which is close to where I live, getting some good advice on pheromones, and just having a friendly chat that shaped my image of AD as a friendly trustworthy company for years to come.
I ended up buying a bunch of stuff and having really good successes with it.
At the time I was 22 and I was attending evening classes, trying to finish high school, and the pheromones helped me boost my confidence to the point of actually managing to attend the evening classes every day, despite my horrible agoraphobia. I got my first girlfriend around that time as well, due in equal parts to the careful application of pheromones, and the careful application of the mystery method.
Not only that, I ended up becoming student president and had girls chasing after me throughout the school.
Towards the end of my time there I started to run out of pheromones. I had originally bought a decent stash, but now they were running out. I intended to buy new ones, but there was no pressure to do it. Running out of pheromones didn't really change much. I was already top dog at the school. Not wearing any pheromones didn't change the respect I was getting.
Things only changed once I finished high shool and moved on to university.
And suddenly being in a completely new group with completely new people really pulled the rug from under my feet. My agoraphobia kicked back in and I had problems going to classes.
So I went to buy more pheromones.
It must have been about 2013, SteveO's helpline now ended with a woman who was not very nice to me. No matter. I'm here for the pheromones, not the conversation... I bought a bunch of the stuff that I knew and loved. A314, IO, IH, IS, TAF, P83. Things had gotten super expensive. Hard to afford on a students budget, but well worth it, as I knew from experience. And the profits couldn't go to a nicer company.
So my pheromones arrived and I was excited. I was trying hard to keep my expectations in check. It was hardly going to be quite as transformative as it had been the first time, after all. But what happened was... nothing. I still had a super hard time going to the university, interacting with people, being in a room with people... I didn't get any extra respect, or IOIs, or the attention of the professors... The pheromones just didn't seem to work. The only one that I still had noticeable effects from was TAF, which I wore mainly for the self-effects, so I kept questioning whether I was just immagining things. Maybe pheromones had never been real at all. Maybe it had all been due to the placebo effect. Maybe all of this was just mass delusion? The forums were still full of glowing testimonials.
I ended up calling the help line again. The woman at the other end told me that they didn't know about any bad batches and I would have to send back all the products that I was having doubts about, so they could be tested for their content. If indeed there was something wrong with them, then they would refund my money. I didn't want to do that. I was still clinging to the hope, that maybe my pheromones were fine and I just missed the effects. I just needed to do more testing.
I learned to cope over time, I switched areas of study once, but stuck with the second one. I remained a loner, but I did make some friends. I did some daygame with decent success. Having once been at the top of the food chain did give a lasting boost to my confidence. But I never saw any difference between pheromone days and no-pheromone days any more.
I actually ended up using up most of the stuff throughout my time at the university, and when I ran out, I was pretty much convinced, that pheromones were one big scam and I had just been duped.
But a nagging doubt remained... It had worked once.
Now I am 32. I've started on my master's degree, and I'm better able to cope with my fears. I'm in a better place than 10 years ago. I've started playing dnd and vtm a while ago, which helps. I've got friends now, that also helps.
I'm living with a girl who used to be my girlfriend for a while, but whom I lost all physical attraction to, for some reason. Living with her I didn't really feel comfortable bringing other girls home. To spare her feelings, I'd like to think, but the human brain likes to use things like that as excuses to cover up its fears, so who knows.
I've got a female friend who I like a lot, and whom I think I could have a serious relationship with in the future, if she ever did ditch her asshole boyfriend. But I know better than to focus my efforts on her.
I'm going to move into my own appartment again in a few weeks, and when I do, I'm going to start daygaming again, which I know I can do decently... and when a rotation of girls is passing through my life, then either that will make her jealous, or it won't, and I will take my cues from that.
But standing poised to change my life for the better once more, I remembered what helped me last time.
And on a whim I googled AD.
And I came across a blogpost talking about how AD used to be great until they hiked up their prices and lowered their quality.
And I went Ooooh, that makes a lot of sense.
And that blogpost mentioned how there is another company, founded by a guy by the name of SteveO.
And I went Ooooh, I remember that guy.
If you've read all of the above: kudos to you, and thank you for your time. I didn't intend for this post to be that long, but I felt like sharing my journey, maybe find people who have had similar journeys in some respects.
I'd be really curious to hear what went on behind the scenes. Why and when Steve left AD, why the quality deteriorated and when exactly that trend started...
Also, I'd like some advice on pheromones, as I've been out of the game for a while.
I was thinking about taking advantage of the party pack to get XiSt, Cohesion, Ascend, SOB, Bliss, Connections and Odyssey...
I've also been thinking about getting Bliss as a 30ml immediately, if it is anything like IS, which I basically used to use on top of almost everything.
And on top of that I'm looking forward to trying out XSP-F, as TAF has been one of my favorites.
Another one that I am somewhat curious about is Celebrity and how Celebrity and Ascend relate to A314, which I used to love. Which one is more like A314 and is there any reason why A314 used to be an oil?
Would you guys recommend waiting for a special offer?
Is there some ressource that you could point me to, which is a must-read to get up to speed on the current state of the art?
Also, lastly, I realise that the XS products surely have their own personality and function, but I, not having tried them yet, find it hard not to think of them in terms of AD equivalents. So I'm going to list what effects I hope to replicate. Perhaps some of you can point out where I'm wrong, if I'm wrong.
XiSt - Ammo
Cohesion - TAC/A1
Ascend - A314
SOB - IJ
Bliss - IS
Connections - IH
Odyssey - Spaceland, the fabled AD product that was never available, but everyone wanted
Celebrity - Also A314?
Thank you again for taking the time to read this, and I would very much appreciate input of any kind, even just links to posts to read.
Greetings from Germany,
Coach
I just reordered, and almost tried the party pack as well....If you get it, let me know how it goes for you. I stuck with ordering my favorites instead, only because it was cheaper. I've experimented with most before....Probably had good results that I didn't realize I was having....However, I stuck w/ my base because, again, it was cheaper 
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