Back and looking for help

[Osamitra]

Howdy everyone,

I'm back after a several year hiatus and i feel like everything I learned has leaked out of my head... so because life is crazy now and i don't have the time to do a couple dozen hours of research like i used to in the past i figured I would just ask for help from the group mind instead.

so, here is my predicament. I'm a 29 year old white dude(with low testosterone) who has lost his entire pheromone collection. I'm looking to attract a friend of mine (25, female, Caucasian), we've been friends for about half a year, and we hang out all the time (she has basically been here every day for the past 3 months). we hang out, watch tv/movies while cuddling on the couch, play games together, swim and the like. But she says she isn't ready for a relationship, though her actions seem like that might not be the whole truth. In addition (i don't know if this is relevant), she claims to have not had sex for the past 3 years, which to me means she might have a low sex drive. She also had a "proper" catholic upbringing witch may make her less sex positive (so cultural taboos).

Having said all of this, i'd like advice on which Pheromones i should buy to help nudge things forward, either towards the bedroom, or even better, towards a relationship. i have the dregs of my old collection ( several year old odessy, xist, and massage oil), and not alot of spare cash. the shorter the list the better if possible.

[Scottie2Hottie]

It appears you already have XiSt. That may help with the relationship potential. If she is sexually repressed you may have a challenge on your hands. I can understand you thinking she has a low sex drive since it's been three years. But it's possible that's not the case. Some women simply will not have sex outside of a relationship. So if she hasn't been in one during that time this could be the case. What you've described sounds exactly like a relationship minus the sex. What puzzles me is why she doesn't see it as such. I mean if I had a gf those are exactly the kinds of things we'd be doing. Sexually she strikes me as the kind of you have to kinda ease into. When you guys are cuddling have you tried to escalate? If so how did she react? Phero wise I think you would want to avoid any heavy sexuals like Domination, SOB or Brute. It seems that Evolve may be just the ticket. In the beginning she'll experience the social side so there will be no clash with the comfort level you already have. As you guys are hanging out the heat will build. I have no doubt that Evolve will turn her on, the question is how will she react. If a woman is ready for sex she will let you know in some way. Not every woman will just pounce on you. Many are very subtle. Since you know her and her typical body language look for things that are out of the ordinary. For example, while you're cuddling watching tv does she place your hand in such a way as to suggest she wants to be fondled? Does she nuzzle her butt close into your crotch? Is she squirmy when she does? If you are sitting next to her does she look repeatedly at your mouth? Does she lick her lips? This is an invitation to be kissed. Never underestimate the power of a kiss. If you are a good kisser you'll have her wet in no time.

I want to back track for just a second. Next time you are cuddling on the couch try this little trick. It's very unobtrusive but very effective. It seems innocently affectionate on the surface. When she's nice and relaxed and settled in start slowly stroking her hair. Do this for a minute or two. Next start slowly, rhythmically running your fingers thru her lightly tugging at the ends. Let her hair fall naturally from your hand. Go nice and slow. In no time you build anticipation. As I always say anticipation is 90% of satisfaction. You will create an association between your touch and all of these wonderful sensations. She will come to crave your touch. She will long for what comes next. You will notice her closing her eyes and smiling contently. This will cause her to focus on sensations in her body, not just her head. This technique causes specific reactions. It creates relaxation. It causes her body to release oxytocin which is the bonding hormone. And finally it will make her vaginal juices flow. Relaxation, bonding and arousal are a powerful combination. I usually follow it up by brushing her to the side and lightly kissing her neck. In combination with this technique you may want to consider Cohesion. One of the effects of Cohesion is heightened tactile sensation. However it isn't necessary. This technique works even without pheros. To speak to the power of this technique I've had it work in crowded clubs. Despite all of the excessive outward stimuli they always focus inward. They are like puddy in your hands. All it takes is a word and they will follow you anywhere.

[E J]

If you have good game, I love going with high sexual mones, and a bit of cohesion.

Then act aloof and playful and don't mention relationships, and try to no get friendzoned, which will happen if you continue to hang out and cuddle without escalation.

[Scottie2Hottie]

I hear you EJ and normally I would give the friendzone speech but I think he has a real opportunity to escalate. Now if my suggestions don't work then by all means pull back. No more hanging out everyday. No more cuddling. If she wants just friends then give her just that. Aloof and no intimacy. No more at her beck and call. Again no more cuddling. You'll want to distance yourself. This includes text messages. If she texts don't answer right away. Get busy with life. Show her you have a life and she is just secondary at best. Make everything on your terms. Make her miss what she had. Every woman longs for intimacy. Take that away and she will either beat a path to your door or move on. If it's the latter you won't waste any more time,

[E J]

I hear you EJ and normally I would give the friendzone speech but I think he has a real opportunity to escalate. Now if my suggestions don't work then by all means pull back. No more hanging out everyday. No more cuddling. If she wants just friends then give her just that. Aloof and no intimacy. No more at her beck and call. Again no more cuddling. You'll want to distance yourself. This includes text messages. If she texts don't answer right away. Get busy with life. Show her you have a life and she is just secondary at best. Make everything on your terms. Make her miss what she had. Every woman longs for intimacy. Take that away and she will either beat a path to your door or move on. If it's the latter you won't waste any more time,

Agreed the opportunity is there, I'm just wondering

But she says she isn't ready for a relationship, though her actions seem like that might not be the whole truth.

How the hell did a relationship conversation was brought up if no escalation has happened. I think he might be pushing it too hard.

I know you won't want too, but if you've been hanging out everyday, just act a bit more aloof, getting busy with life should be a reality not a technique. A reality is, when we men start getting interested in someone we want to to be there all the time, and feel a need to feel significant. But you need to spark attraction.

So follow Scottie's advice and escalate, if there is a no, then try some space, go out have fun, meet other girls (just make new friends) , and then meet up with her and bring it up in conversation, jealousy is a powerful emotion.

[Osamitra]

What you've described sounds exactly like a relationship minus the sex. What puzzles me is why she doesn't see it as such. I mean if I had a gf those are exactly the kinds of things we'd be doing.

Exactly, its why i'm so baffled. She checks most of the boxes for interested, but says she isn't and its really throwing me off...

Sexually she strikes me as the kind of you have to kinda ease into. When you guys are cuddling have you tried to escalate? If so how did she react?

I think she does require some easing. I've managed to get her talking about sex a couple times and it keeps coming back to the impacts of her catholic upbringing. I've tried escalations once or twice, but if my hands stray anywhere past her knees, near her hips, or near her chest they get re-positioned real quick unless we have been cuddling for a LONG time. but when we swim she has no problems with me touching her back, hips and thighs...

Strange note: while we cuddle on the couch she will initiate hand holding sometimes...

It seems that Evolve may be just the ticket. In the beginning she'll experience the social side so there will be no clash with the comfort level you already have. As you guys are hanging out the heat will build. I have no doubt that Evolve will turn her on, the question is how will she react. If a woman is ready for sex she will let you know in some way. Not every woman will just pounce on you. Many are very subtle. Since you know her and her typical body language look for things that are out of the ordinary.

I think your right, Evolve does seem to be the go to for this. Thank you for the advice I might mix in some Xist while my supplies last. I have gotten a handle on her normal body language, so i think i will be able to notice anything unusual, though i will keep a special look out for your examples. You have been a huge help.

If you have good game

Haha, I have terrible game. I entered a ten year relationship in highschool, so i never really got the experience necessary to learn to flirt, or read that kind of body language, or hell, talking to single girls. I've been playing catch up the last couple years.

I hear you EJ and normally I would give the friendzone speech but I think he has a real opportunity to escalate. Now if my suggestions don't work then by all means pull back.

No worries, that was the plan if this didn't work. I was hoping the Mones would nudge her, or give me a good opening. But if they can't then i can move on.

Agreed the opportunity is there, I'm just wondering
But she says she isn't ready for a relationship, though her actions seem like that might not be the whole truth.

Mostly because i'm an idiot. I asked her out 3 months ago, and was ready to move on. But then she basically shows up on my door step, we start hanging alot, and things slowly escalated to this point. It seemed like she was trying to ease into a relationship or something so i let it happen. Now i'm looking for results, or seeing if i've been freindzoned or something since its been so long.

[Osamitra]

btw, does anybody have any experience with "naked gun" from what I've heard, it seems like a good dis-inhibitor, and may pair well with the evolve for my purposes...

[E J]

bro you need some evolve and even some SOB, some cops will make her insecure and might make her jump the gun. But you gotta be ready to handle shit tests.

[Scottie2Hottie]

My fuck buddy responds well to Naked Gun but we're already in an established sexual "relationship". If you're expecting your sexually repressed Catholic girl to strip and jump you I wouldn't get my hopes up. Pheros don't work like that. They won't override one's moral or personality tendencies. IF, and this is a big if, she has a hidden slut lurking deep inside then it's possible that the right product/combo could bring it to the surface. But basically pheros can work to alter one's perception of you. That doesn't mean they will act on it. Even with something like Enone which can cause arousal. The only circumstance in which this may rather easily happen is if there is alcohol involved to lower inhibitions. When I lived in Cali there was an all girls Mormon college in the area. Occasionally they would hit the bars. With the right combination of pheros and alcohol even these good girls would turn into freaks.

[Falvinski]

btw, does anybody have any experience with "naked gun" from what I've heard, it seems like a good dis-inhibitor, and may pair well with the evolve for my purposes...

Yes it works perfectly. Infact it turned a religious vergin(older than your girl) into a porn star just within an hour. But it was combines with SOB and PSE. She escalated and initiated it by herself. Escalate level 01... nervous... escalate level 02... scared... escalate level 03... (just needed to keep a firm hold and patiently relax her during those nerve attacks) and BOOM she is a Porn Star!

Back to you- I think all the girls who say these lines "not ready for relationship yet", "got to have those love feelings, which are not there yet", "am not feeling that level of attraction with you", "we are good friends, and not looking for anything more".... and still show up everyday. These are 100% lies. There is definately something else going on.
But you need not worry. You just need to turn the tables on your side like a boss. Start using your Xist until you finalise 2nd product.
You mentioned low testosterone levels? I guess you should start gym. Eat spicy food. Sweat yourself with regular squating. Work out on flattening your belly. Lot of neck exercise to get that clear jawline. This will increase your T levels.

[Osamitra]

But you gotta be ready to handle shit tests.

Please see previous " I have no game". Whats a shit test? I'm good in bed, not in getting them to bed unfortunately.

If you're expecting your sexually repressed Catholic girl to strip and jump you I wouldn't get my hopes up. Pheros don't work like that.

Not at all, i'm hoping it will help her feel dis-inhibited enough to go along with wherever the Evolve takes her, or feel more comfortable if any escalation happens. I know this stuff isn't mind control, its just supposed to be useful, or give us some decent tools.

You mentioned low testosterone levels? I guess you should start gym. Eat spicy food. Sweat yourself with regular squating. Work out on flattening your belly. Lot of neck exercise to get that clear jawline. This will increase your T levels.

Yup, i've already altered my diet by removing Soda's and fast food, and adding in more fresh fruit/veggies. I'm also cooking spicier food (love myself some Thai, Mexica and Indian food). I've also started a physically demanding outdoor job thats giving me plenty of exercie. But i should probably look into some neck exercises, my jawline could use the help if it will get rid of face fat.


Update: My order of Evolve and Naked Gun(couldn't resist) came in, and the great Phero-Savant SteveO sent me some samples of Xist and SOB to try out. I'm gonna leave off the SOB for a bit and give the others a chance to do their thing.

[cbrn]

I would actually recommend adding Cohesion to the combo. from the sound of it she WANTS you already but is nervous about taking the next step for many reasons. Evolve, SOB, and PSE are all good for getting her in the mood. SOB being a little more hit or miss considering the type of woman she is. cohesion may give the calming effects necessary to get her past that fear of being intimate.

[Tobias]

Howdy everyone,

I'm back after a several year hiatus and i feel like everything I learned has leaked out of my head... so because life is crazy now and i don't have the time to do a couple dozen hours of research like i used to in the past i figured I would just ask for help from the group mind instead.

so, here is my predicament. I'm a 29 year old white dude(with low testosterone) who has lost his entire pheromone collection. I'm looking to attract a friend of mine (25, female, Caucasian), we've been friends for about half a year, and we hang out all the time (she has basically been here every day for the past 3 months). we hang out, watch tv/movies while cuddling on the couch, play games together, swim and the like. But she says she isn't ready for a relationship, though her actions seem like that might not be the whole truth. In addition (i don't know if this is relevant), she claims to have not had sex for the past 3 years, which to me means she might have a low sex drive. She also had a "proper" catholic upbringing witch may make her less sex positive (so cultural taboos).

Having said all of this, i'd like advice on which Pheromones i should buy to help nudge things forward, either towards the bedroom, or even better, towards a relationship. i have the dregs of my old collection ( several year old odessy, xist, and massage oil), and not alot of spare cash. the shorter the list the better if possible.

I would say get crush if you can, but with what you have I would suggest trying xist.

The combo I would definitely try for this situation if you have the cash is Crush, Bliss and Evolve. But if you can just get one I would suggest crush.

Or cohesion, depending on your tolerance

[Falvinski]

Yup, i've already altered my diet by removing Soda's and fast food, and adding in more fresh fruit/veggies. I'm also cooking spicier food (love myself some Thai, Mexica and Indian food). I've also started a physically demanding outdoor job thats giving me plenty of exercie. But i should probably look into some neck exercises, my jawline could use the help if it will get rid of face fat.


Update: My order of Evolve and Naked Gun(couldn't resist) came in, and the great Phero-Savant SteveO sent me some samples of Xist and SOB to try out. I'm gonna leave off the SOB for a bit and give the others a chance to do their thing.

Ok doing so well. Now lets start using the new items.